Arkashean Q&A Session -- 003

CORA: Ah, you were saying that I was confusing...

THERRY: Okay, in terms of behavior, you're confusing our behavior with the monk... Our behavior has nothing to do with the fact that we've decided to be monks and we decided to live a more peaceful life here. That's not what our behavior is designed for. Our behavior is designed so that we make sure that the toys and the values of the outside world does not corrupt us holding sacred the vows to Arkashea or the vows to the Universe. Now, if you notice what I do, what Wayne does and what Tim does, we have absolutely nothing. We have no connection whatsoever with the toys and values of the outside world.

CORA: That's true.

THERRY: Now then, there are people who can be living here who can still get married, have children and deal with the outside world and they'd still behave the way we would.

CORA: Yeah, but how would they behave the way you would? If they were going to court someone they would have to go through the process of courting them, going to movies or...unless it was someone who lived here. Obviously, with my lifestyle, I'm not going to meet someone that lives here, that's going to be out, that's going to be all the karmically correct implications.

THERRY: Okay, so there comes the rub. It's obviously going to be much more difficult because a person of the outside world is not going to be willing to live the austere life that is required if you hold the Universe absolutely sacred. And because of that, you can't help but sell values.

CORA: So then it comes to not selling the values that are the most important not to sell.

THERRY: Correct.

CORA: So...

THERRY: And obviously, if you hold the attitude that says "Since I'm out there anyway, I might as well" long as you hold that attitude, then that attitude guarantees that you're going to sell regardless of what values are involved. Because there's going to come a time when that attitude makes it so easy for you, that no matter what it is, you're going to sell.

CORA: I don't think I've been having that lately.

THERRY: Only you can determine that.

CORA: But I would like to know if going to someone's religious service like the Quakers things... when I went to the Quakers thing this weekend... you knew they had a camp out and I had never seen a Quakers meeting so I sat in on it and all they do is sit around and be silent, which I kind of like. You just sit around for an hour of silence... You do whatever you want to do there. And I meditated, but I wondered if it was not the right thing to do because there were other people around. I meditated silently. You know everyone... some people read, some people just closed their eyes, some people just opened their eyes and sat there, but it was totally an hour of silence. And at the end of the hour, someone said something to break the silence. If the spirit moves you in between, their philosophy is that you speak. And, one person said one sentence through the hour and that was it and so I did... I didn't feel that it was wrong. I tested out how I felt inside. I think I felt uncomfortable because most of the time I'm not around other people when I do that, but at one point a couple came up that had never been there before either and I got an uncomfortable feeling from them, so I stopped meditating and it turns out an hour and a half later I talked to the woman. I especially got the feeling from the woman that she had been into witchcraft and... Man, these people follow me like the plague! It's unreal! And hmm, so... you know, I just had stopped meditating because I still wasn't sure if they could like follow me or what's right or what's wrong, so...

THERRY: Okay, Arkashea doesn't mind if a person investigates and tries to see what else is out there because you can't know what is right, if you don't know what is wrong. So as far as Arkashea is concerned, investigate it all, but don't corrupt yourself in the process.

CORA: So what does that mean in terms of behavior? What're behavioral guidelines? What are the things I can and can't do?

THERRY: When you go to look at something, go look, don't take part in it. Just look.

CORA: So does that mean...

THERRY: And hear...

CORA: What?

THERRY: If someone's dancing around a fire or if they're chanting chants or if they're taking sacraments and stuff like that, you just look don't take part.

CORA: Can I pray my to own God or meditate like I always do while I'm there?


CORA: Or should I not do that?

THERRY: Yeah, you can do that.

CORA: Well, what if I ever got either married or in some sort of close relationship and they want like...okay, Chris is Catholic.

THERRY: Okay, now if you remember your history, the first corruption came about [how], remember? What was it?

CORA: Yes, I know, from marrying outside your own kind.


CORA: And taking on their things.

THERRY: Okay, so now you already know the answer to the question you were going to ask me.

CORA: Well, what I was going to ask you is if it's wrong, if she values like going to church on Easter because of the togetherness kind of thing, if I went with her and didn't participate in their thing, but I already know what the church does do it's not going there to investigate is it wrong to go there with my intent being to be with her because it's important to her? Is that the same thing?

THERRY: What does that...what does that do with respect to what we were just talking about?

CORA: Well, I thought it mattered on your intent. I thought that if you took part in it and your intent was to pray to that God then it would...

THERRY: It seems to me, Cora, that you've put on blinders because you don't want to accept absolute truth. If the very first corruption came around because of the very thing that you were talking about, what makes you think that corruption ain't going to exist for you, even if it did with everybody else that's ever done it? What makes you so special that you ain't going to end up corrupt because you did what everybody did and they ended up corrupt?

CORA: Is that what everybody else started out doing? Is going to be there because somebody else wants them to without participating in its themselves or believing in it?

THERRY: Isn't that the way it always happens?

CORA: I dunno. I've been out of organized religions for years and years. I couldn't really tell you.

THERRY: Does that mean you shut your brain off?

CORA: No, it just means that I haven't participated in it.

THERRY: Does that mean you shut your mind off?


THERRY: Does that mean you can't go back to use your memory of what happened to you?

CORA: No, it doesn't.

THERRY: Okay, then what about all of these...

CORA: Well, I figured...

THERRY: Well, what about all of these personal experiences that you yourself have had, Cora, about how you ended up changing your values without ever realizing that they were changed just because you were there and took part?

CORA: But I started believing it, I did believe.

THERRY: What difference does it make, Cora? The point is, your values changed and you never realized they were changing. And the only reason they changed is because you were there and you lived among them or spent time among them and took part in their things.

CORA: That's true.

THERRY: So what do you do? Throw all of that away because you don't want to...

CORA: Well, I hadn't applied it to religion...

THERRY: Why? Why not?

CORA: I had applied it to philosophical beliefs. I dunno, I guess because I never thought of it the same way.

THERRY: Well, isn't it? What is a philosophical belief? As a matter of fact, what is the difference between a philosophical belief or any other belief?

CORA: Well, I guess none.

THERRY: Okay, so now you know what to expect in the future. So there's really no need for you to ask the questions like you just asked. You already know the answer. So therefore, the only reason why to ask is to find permission so to do something that you know you shouldn't already do.

CORA: So if I lived with someone that I care about and they're not my religion then I should keep their religion totally separate from me and not participate in their kind of things and just co-exist in that way without...

THERRY: Is that possible?

CORA: I dunno. I thought it was at one point in time.

THERRY: If that is true, then why is it that became the first corruption?

CORA: Oh, there are people that seem to me to live in their lives and marry and are different religions.

THERRY: And they end up in divorce courts too.

CORA: Well, they chose or they chose not to make it as important in their life. I know mine is important in my life. But it's not the kind where you go to church to do, so it's not necessarily obvious to other people.

THERRY: But the point involved, Cora, is when somebody is of a different way than you are, and if you insist on being with that person because of emotional factors, is it possible to keep yourself pure? That' s the question you're asking. Why do you think that was the first corruption for? Because it is impossible? If you have emotional attachments to somebody, by your own experiences, your values are going to change.

CORA: Well, we once had a conversation not too long ago, where I was saying and you agreed, that the best kind of thing to have was to find someone who respected you and you respected them and you didn't necessarily have the same spiritual values, if you didn't have the same spiritual values if they were similar not different was that just...

THERRY: That didn't absolve the facts. Just because that's one of the better arrangements...

CORA: Is that a possible arrangement?

THERRY: Of course, it's possible. Just because something is possible doesn't mean you're going to get it. And just because it is possible, doesn't mean that you're going to change.

CORA: That's true. Well, is it realistic?

THERRY: Unlikely.

CORA: It is unlikely?

THERRY: Look at marriages between different religions. Inevitably the religion gets in the way at times and in order for the marriage or the relationship to continue somebody's going to have to change their attitudes or change their values, otherwise it just won't work. Either you end up putting your values on the back burner for the sake of the relationship or you change your values. In terms of the Universe, both are No Nos, so it doesn't leave you much of a choice. You either stay with your own kind or be prepared to trade off. [It's a] difficult world we live in.

CORA: That's true.

THERRY: The stuff I've just given you now are just facts. History has already proven them out. The thing that I have not given you and shall not, is for you to determine how and where and when you want to trade. Only you can decide that. Remember, it is not if you play games... You must play games. It depends on which game you decide to play. That's the nature of earth. You have no choice. You must play games. So now your games are easy. Do you stay among your own kind? Do you put your values on the back burner so you have a temporary sporadic relationship with somebody or do you trade to have a more permanent relationship, or a more lasting or more closer one, whatever? In either case, you have to trade, so you have no choice. You must choose one of the games. Of course, you must realize that each game you chose has its own set of rules and once you've chosen a game you're struck in those rules. You either play by the rules of those games or else you have pain. It's obvious that to the degree that you're willing to change, to that degree the pain is less. To the degree that you're not willing to change, to that degree the pain is more. And the sad part about it, to make things even worse, some games guarantee you pain regardless what you do. The more you change, the more painful things become in more than one way because sooner or later you'll come to realize just how much you've lost because of that game. Your Dad's a perfect example of that.

CORA: How so?

THERRY: Well, look at him now. At the moment, his primary thing is his life has more or less been a waste. He's got a whole lot of money, but that's all he's got. He's got nothing else. And he knows that now. That's why he's so depressed all the time and he has to pump himself up.

CORA: Well, I found somebody that I like a lot.

THERRY: That's not the first time.

CORA: This is true. However, she's already out and she's single.

THERRY: That's not the first time either.

CORA: No, that's true too. And she's not into witchcraft.

THERRY: No, she's into Christianity.

CORA: Yeah, she's Catholic. She's big time Catholic.

THERRY: That indicates that she's living a lie.

CORA: How so? Because she's homosexual and Catholic at the same time?

THERRY: Right and the two are...they don't reconcile one another.

CORA: Well, there's a lot of people in the Catholic Church that are trying to reconcile it by changing the church.

THERRY: Lots of luck.

CORA: The church stuff...

THERRY: In order to do that they're going to have to...

CORA: Will they have Split off [from] the church?

THERRY: Yup. They're going to have to have another splinter group.

CORA: ...Which may happen within the American Church versus the Roman Church.

THERRY: Well there's already been so many splits from the Roman Church that it's unreal. I think that's amusing because what they don't realize, is that every time there is a major split like that, the Christian religion itself drops another notch because each split creates more splits and the first thing you know, there's the Christian Church or the Church of Christ whatever you want to call it, Christianity, fades a little bit more. Look at it like a wall between earth and heaven.

CORA: A wall?

THERRY: Well, if we assume that the Roman Church... as many true Christian believes... is the only true path to heaven, all the splinter groups only create a wall... a slight detour away from the true path. While all claim to be the true path, some of the splinter's beliefs have become so different from the Roman Church's beliefs that it is now almost impossible to tell the difference for their corruption

CORA: How so? I mean I'm tempted to answer yes, but what do you mean by another negative game? By building fear[s]?

THERRY: It's a useless game that brings nothing but pain regardless of what you do and it's not valid.

CORA: Wouldn't that make it harder to make friends if you are in places where it was coming together for a common purpose? Like in a meeting or something or a committee. Would that be the same pattern as here? Part of me wants to test what I've learnt. I know I am well liked here by people and I know a lot of that's because I did incorporate almost everything you told me towards treating people better and I like people better than I ever used to and it would be interesting to see if I could meet friends in other places, if I was still likeable. I'm also afraid because those Pagan people seem to follow me wherever I am and it's almost like damn radar, no matter where I go...I mean, I really don't understand that because I know I'm not so wishy washy as I used to be.

THERRY: But you're refusing to accept that. You're plum for the dark side to collect.

CORA: Just because I'm with the light side? I mean regardless of and it doesn't even matter if I lived here, it would be the same thing. I mean I may have less chance for interaction with them if I just came here everyday.

THERRY: See, the reason they leave me alone or they leave Wayne or Tim alone, is because they have no possible chance at all. But because of your life style, they have a chance, so therefore they're going to keep trying.

CORA: Lifestyle, meaning "sexuality?" Why? Because it's lonelier there, they just figure they just have to wait.

THERRY: That's the invisible war between the light and the darkness. The more people from the light they can convert, the more powerful they become, hence your experience about them wanting your power.


THERRY: 'Cause the more they can convert, the more powerful they become.

CORA: Why does it make them more powerful? I mean, I know it makes them...

THERRY :There's strength in numbers.

CORA: But they're also half divided, so there's really not strength in numbers.

THERRY: That's besides the point... remember, the dark side is always divided against it's self.

CORA: They don't look at all that strong, so I just have to get used to them and be on my guard. If I'm going to live in the world, they're going to be there, right?

THERRY: 'Cause, understand, it's all a political thing.

CORA: How? How?

THERRY: 'Cause that's where the power lies.

CORA: What do you mean? In politics?


CORA: How so?

THERRY: Look at the country. Who's in control? God or politics?

CORA: Politics.

THERRY: That's where the power is. Where does the power of politics come from? Numbers.

CORA: Oh. Well, yeah, the majority of votes in this country.

THERRY: Even if it's not a voting, the majority's still can get the power, if they're active enough and if they have good strategy.

CORA: Does that work on other levels too, between dark and light?

THERRY: Always.

CORA: Hmm. Really? I mean, even on the higher levels, where it's all spiritual? It's still the same?

THERRY: There's no darkness up there, so it doesn't matter.

CORA: None? How can that be? I thought...

THERRY: Darkness belongs to earth.

CORA: So when you say earth, it would be all the physical levels, right? Not just this earth?

THERRY: All the nine levels of earth.

CORA: And numbers matter there on all the nine levels first? And when you say things are speeding up or slowing down or getting worse or getting better, does that all relate to that numbers on all those nine levels? So even if I never lived in Arkashea, if I stayed light for the rest of my life, then the light would be stronger so to speak at least by one and that's what it means even if I'm not in Arkashea, 'cause I remember you said that I had to pick one side or the other and not be in the middle.

THERRY: Anybody who thinks that they're in the middle that they're not neither one nor the other don't realize it, but they are on the dark side.

CORA: How come?

THERRY: There's an old saying, "Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."

CORA: So people...

THERRY: He who allows the evil is just as bad as the evil itself, hence without ever doing anything they've become dark.

CORA: And yet you guys do a very limited amount as far as the outside world is concerned or are we talking about all different levels now?

THERRY: But we still do things...we just don't sit and do nothing.

CORA: Right. So even though you don't get involved with the politics of this level very much, you still try to help people and not trap people and all that sort of stuff.

THERRY: Right.

CORA: If someone isn't involved in psychic stuff at all, take Cherri, you know, she believes in the stuff but not very much, but she thinks she's on the light side and even though she's Catholic and everything, does that mean she's on the light side or not necessarily? How does that work?

THERRY: Well, she has her own psychological screens that she has to deal with. What she thinks is relatively unimportant. It's what she does that matters.

CORA: Well, she seems like a pretty good person, I mean, from what I know of her, except for the only reason I guess I asked that is, that she's still involved in the Catholic Church. So does that automatically make you dark, if you're involved with the Catholic Church?

THERRY: Like I said, it's not what you think that matters, it's what you do.

CORA: Let me pause and get back to your thing of trade-offs, that you mentioned, I guess it's just a trade-off to participate in worldly things, right, like movies and concerts and dances? I mean, you guys don't do that stuff. Is it keeping the Universe safer if you participate in that stuff or is it not?

THERRY: You're getting into a very emotional area. Going to a movie per se has nothing to do with being spiritual. We go to movies. So you can't look at it from the point of view of not utilizing any of the toys of the outside world. That's got nothing to do with the outside world.

CORA: It's your attitude...


CORA: ...towards them?

THERRY: Yes. For instance, we have loads of movies here. I mean, really, you mean watching a movie, that makes you less godly? That's stupid.

CORA: That's what I thought. When I was thinking about it the other day...

THERRY: As I said before, it's not what you think what counts. It's what you do. When it comes right down to it, it's got nothing to do with if you're going to go for a movie or if you're going to go dancing or if you're going to go to a circus or whatever. What it comes down to it is, if you have to do something, do you follow your emotions and to hell with who gets hurt? Or do you keep yourself in control and in check and make sure that nobody gets harmed by anything you say and do. That's what it comes down to. When you're going to make your trade-offs, are you going to look for the welfare of your species, the welfare of another or look for your own welfare? That's what it comes down to. If you sit and say, "Well, I'm going to help..." Who're you really helping? The species, another person or you and your ego? That's what it comes down to. It doesn't much matter about the other stuff. The other stuff is nothing but trappings.

CORA: Hah. So my question is... well, that's a piece of information I didn't know. My original question was how... okay. There was one more piece of information that I was thinking about. Also I don't seem to be able to observe the patterns as well as they're going on as much as I can later because I've been sitting down and analyzing situations as they're going on and Wayne was saying, you know eventually you get better at it and try to do both things simultaneously so that you can behave and interact on one level but you can also be very aware of what's going on on another level. Is that the idea?


CORA: As to what you try to do?

THERRY: Yeah, simultaneous realities.

CORA: Is that what's the awareness of dual reality is? Like getting ready and training for?

THERRY: The beginning of it.

CORA: Ah... So, okay. So now my question is, I remember when you told me, and this just may be out of context, I remember you told me if you use law to get what I want, that I was weaving a mental trap that I hadn't been trapped on the mental yet, but that [I] was weaving a trap [by] using a law to do that.


CORA: Well, is that what this is? Is that weaving a trap on the mental by seeing the patterns like that and manipulating behavior?

THERRY: Yes... It may not necessarily be a bad trap, but it is a trap.

CORA: It is. So you're not supposed to do that? Or you're going to be trapped regardless and you're supposed to learn to go that and deal with it?

THERRY: Well, that depends. The learning process is a good trap... but if you use your knowledge of law to remove another's free will, or to do harm, that is a bad trap.

CORA: I am going to [be] trapped regardless?

THERRY: It's part of growth.. remember, it is not if you play games. It is which game you choose to play.

CORA: Oh, it is? Ah. Is it like a higher trap or something? Is that what growth is? (sic) you go through different levels of traps and then you free yourself from the traps?

THERRY: You're throwing away a prime law.

CORA: "Each unto his own level?"


CORA: Hmmm. Okay, so even though you may be trapping yourself, it's still a good thing to do?

THERRY: You have to redefine your definition of a trap.

CORA: Okay. What's the definition of a trap? I guess I've been looking at it as something negative. Something you're stuck in, that has a negative connotation.

THERRY: That's not true.

CORA: Okay, so what's another definition for a trap?

THERRY: The better definition to use is "something that you're stuck in," period. But the point is, you're stuck in it. You have no choice.

CORA: Well, is it growth to get out of traps or not necessarily?

THERRY: The part that is growth is to expand your awareness, to expand your wisdom and not be so hung up on knowledge. What does that tell you?

CORA: And I guess that's... is that also a trap? The game of growth?

THERRY: Yes it is a game.

CORA: Are there traps within growth?


CORA: And even if they're positive...I guess, is that where Karma comes in it?


CORA: Hmmm. Okay. So now...alright, with that information....well, there were two situations, for the little girl thing, I realized that I could've gone over to her and offered to interact with her and maybe ease the pain and stuff and maybe that would've been a good thing to do.

THERRY: What you were watching in that little girl's failure of her parents.

CORA: How so? 'Cause they didn't socialize her to get her needs met in a more appropriate manner?

THERRY: They didn't acculturate her properly. The parents should've taught her that negative behavior does not fulfill the needs, it only creates more negativity. She can't get people to pay attention to her or want to be around her by being negative. That only drives people away. That creates more loneliness. And if people are unwilling to be with her for her to go's only going to make it worse.

CORA: Hmmm. Okay, using awareness in situations...oh, okay, sorry.

THERRY: There's still something else too. From that pattern, what else can you [derive]...what information can you possess about the parents? What information can you glean about their family life?

CORA: Well, obviously it was not a very healthy {family}...I watched the parents. I was trying to figure that out. The father was real passive.

THERRY: No, no, no, no. Just from that one interaction alone. Let's leave the parents out of it. Just from the child's behavior, what can you glean about the family and the family relationship and the family life?

CORA: That they gave her positive reinforcement when she acted negatively when she didn't get what she wanted?

THERRY: Exactly. In other words, if she's obnoxious enough she can get what she wants from her parents.

CORA: Interesting. I didn't know I had realized or seen that. Hmm.

THERRY: And now what does that do? What information does that give you about the parents?

CORA: Well, that would tell me that they're not very effective because they're training her to be negative instead of positive.

THERRY: She's training the parents rather than the parents training her. That means overall, the parents are not very big on disciplinarians.

CORA: No, they weren't.

THERRY: No, they're not very high on social values. They don't have a very tight knit organization. They have a very big unequalness within their relationship.

CORA: Unequalness? How? Power?


CORA: It seemed like the mother wore the pants in the family. But I couldn't really tell if that was true too.

THERRY: No, it seems more like the child wears the pants.

CORA: She has two brothers though that are perfectly well acting. One is a real doll and the other one's too young to be anything one way or the other. He's too, but he's just a two year old.

THERRY: Yeah, but you're bringing in other things now.

CORA: Well, how come the brother would be so nice and she'd be so obnoxious if that was the parents' patterns?

THERRY: Well, there are a number of possibilities. She's looked at as the baby of the family. Or she's a girl and therefore there's double standards.

CORA: Yeah, she is the only girl.

THERRY: You kowtow to them. So there's a lot of information that you can gain just from the child's behavior. Okay. Let's go back on to your other track.

CORA: Well, the other one was Chris and when I met her I found out all the things that were important to me as far as I wasn't bringing her out and she wasn't into witchcraft and she was single and she was interested in me. But I was also very aware from our last conversation that gay people aren't looking only for sex. They're looking for relationships and at the same time...

THERRY: What does that tell you?

CORA: Well, it told me...

THERRY: Remember when you first decided to go gay and we were trying to stop you?

CORA: Uh-hmmm.

THERRY: What was it that we told you?

CORA: That they're lonely.

THERRY: Right. Your Number One biggest battle will be against loneliness. Doesn't that verify that?

CORA: Yeah. Okay, the thing was, I wasn't sure if I should sleep with her. I ended up sleeping with her. I did the behaviors that were necessary. It was the first time for a number of things. For one, it was the first time I followed the recipe that you told me a long time ago, and that we had also discussed after my first thing with Babs about...

THERRY: Those Steering Currents work pretty good, don't they?

CORA: Yeah. The eye contact, the body language. I acted sure of myself instead of unsure. I wanted to discuss what I felt because I felt that we'd have a clearer idea. I probably wouldn't have slept with her, but I decided well, you know, I didn't even expect this whole thing to happen so I decided not to. I decided that only if they'd bring it up to talk about this point, so not to. So the pattern...meeting somebody who's a stranger, dating them, testing the waters, touching them, and stuff, seeing how they responded and I saw her eye contact, it was interesting because I met her for about 5 seconds. She was picking up her kids at school...she's got kids and her eyes dilated and I don't know if mine did or not, but it was interesting 'cause I remember watching that thing with you about mating patterns and stuff and I thought, hah, this is interesting and I also noticed that women are very subtle and I had been looking for more behavioral...

THERRY: They're not any more subtle than anybody else.

CORA: They're not?


CORA: Men... men, do the same thing?


CORA: It's mainly with the eyes and not the behavior.

THERRY: It's the same pattern. Humans are humans and humans. It's the... you call it being subtle 'cause you're unaware, but anybody who understands patterns and understands the psychology of humans period, can pick all that up. It's very blatant.

CORA: Well, I had never noticed that before. Okay, well, the thing was, okay, I guess maybe that's true. I guess I had never been so aware of flirting patterns before. Maybe that's what it is. I usually expected them to flirt more blatantly with behavior and with language, but they didn't. At least, she didn't and then I was looking around and I guess a lot of people don't. It's all eye contact for most of it, at least initially. After eye contact, the eye contact...I mean we would be talking about bullshit everyday things, but it would be the eye contact that was going on. And even though it would be brief, I did it a couple times to experiment and it would be there, you know, like looking in her eyes and looking at her eyes and like kissing or holding her a certain way, all the time like talking about like school and kids and just all this other stuff and about the third or fourth time we were together I offered...

THERRY: Do you realize that is parallel realities? Because if you remember, there's a difference between eye contact and just looking at one another.

CORA: Hah.

THERRY: There's a difference, there is a big difference between just looking at one another in the eyes or looking at one another per se and "eye contact."

CORA: You're right. I'd never noticed that before. Well, yes I had, but it never clicked like that because someone asked me the other day.

THERRY: Because see, there are four levels of that, but that's for some of the levels.

CORA: Okay, I guess recently someone said well, "How did you tell you were flirting and am I flirting with you right now. We've had eye contact," and I said "No, we're not flirting, it's just different." Well, I guess I did, but it never really clicked. Hah! Okay.

THERRY: See, there are four different levels of that.

CORA: Which are what?

THERRY: That's for another level.

CORA: Ahmm, so...

THERRY: There are four distinct very different types of eye contact.

CORA: Well, one of them must be sexual interest and one of them must be just casual interest and interactions.

THERRY: Like I said, that's for another time.

CORA: Ahmm. Okay, so then the third or so night I offered a massage and I kind of expected her to say no. I had been massaging my cousin because she had been tense and then she said yes. That was a big surprise to me. And so I did and ah, after that we were watching this movie together so I just kind of...we were close together because we were watching it in the bedroom so all of us were on the bed and she didn't move away.

THERRY: Convenient.

CORA: was convenient!

THERRY: (Laugh)

CORA: Well, they were a bunch of other people there too. So When I walked her to her car, I just kind of put my hands on her hair kind of like and she still didn't pull away and then she kept on asking me to do things. She asked me to do a couple things [and] we started getting together more. But it's funny because at one point, it was the night I was going to sleep with her because she had to get rid of her kids, she sent them over to her Mom's and it was this big thing. It was like a big production but that morning...I guess I was talking to my chain, so I was going over the patterns and it was mainly of meeting someone new and no knowing them and dating them and going through that behavior of mainly the eye contact was...was the main thing we were concentrating on then, the behavior, then how she let me touch her and stuff and also I never talked to her about her feelings. I just kind of assumed by her behavior and I kept trying things all about her behavior, like since she didn't pull away when I stroked her hair, I took her hand and since she didn't pull away then I offered to work on her back the next night after we went out for coffee and she didn't pull away there, I really did intend to just to give here a regular massage, but she was there with her shirt off so, I started doing some other stuff and...

THERRY: Laugh.

CORA: And when she responded, I was surprised and I thought, gosh, I'm supposed to act like I know what I'm doing, so I did and that's when she asked me to spend the night for the next night and I was like, "Oh, okay."

THERRY: Instead of saying, "Oh, okay" your response should've been, "That'd be nice." Remember, regardless of what you do, you're dealing with the laws of creation. Specifically, the Book of Earth, Chapter "Humans," okay? Now you are evoking power and remember the laws of power. Power must always return to its source. So if you evoke a law, you're responsible for that law from that point on, where it applies.

CORA: Now, how was I evoking a...

THERRY: That means you can never get rid of the responsibility of what happens because of things that you do...

CORA: What does it mean that...?

THERRY: Karmicaly, it means that you bear a direct responsibility in a direct co-creation of everything that will occur, because of what you did using these laws that I taught you.

CORA: Okay, what does that mean, "evoking power?"

THERRY: It means that... Karmicaly, it means that you bear a direct responsibility in a direct co-creation of everything that will occur, because of what you did using these laws that I taught you.

CORA: And what does that sentence mean that you said?

THERRY: Well, it means that Karmicaly you're responsible. If you inevitably do something that will create harm, you're going to pay for it. The fact that she's willing is besides the point. You're the one that evoked the power. You're the one that's going to pay for it.

CORA: Now how do I evoke the power?

THERRY: By doing those behaviors. You know what you've been doing.

CORA: Yeah, okay, so...

THERRY: Those are evoking laws.

CORA: How?

THERRY: By doing it.

CORA: How are behaviors evoking...

THERRY: Remember a while back when we first started teaching you the laws of creation? We told you the first word, the second word, the Walk of Predestiny, the Walk of Freewill, the Continuum of Karma.

CORA: No. I remember that but I didn't understand it. I've asked Wayne about that a few times. He hasn't explained that as of yet. Can you explain more?

THERRY: Well, it requires you to go back to Karma. Karma is a royal continuum. Now you understand what a royal continuum is?

CORA: Yes... I think so....

THERRY: Okay. A royal continuum is a continuum that is in control, and that it governs absolutely everything that will happen on every single level that you find yourself on. Do you understand that?

CORA: Yeah.

THERRY: It doesn't matter what reality that you're in. Karma still has control of the games that you play.

CORA: Even if you're off [the] earth level?

THERRY: It doesn't matter what reality you're in.

CORA: It's every continuum?

THERRY: Karma still has control. It doesn't matter what dimension you're in. It doesn't matter what level you're in. It doesn't matter what reality you're in. Karma still has control 'cause it's royal. Karma has control starting from Orthodontiks, all the way across the board. It's royal. That means, it doesn't matter what set of circumstances, Karma always has control.

CORA: Okay, I understand that much.

THERRY: Okay. Now Karma is dual in its nature in that you have on one side, predestiny where the human involved has absolutely no freewill at all and on the other side, you have total freewill where 100% of everything that occurs is the human's choice. Then obviously in between there are different combinations of both. On the absolute ends is the only time that it is pure. All other points in between, it's never a case of freewill and predestiny, it's always a combination of both. Therefore there are some circumstances where you have very little freewill, other circumstances where you have a lot of freewill. But it is always both at the same time. Now then, if you remember the law says that you use your freewill to create your predestiny. And if you remember, the law applies that the first word, the first thought is always in your mind. So long as it remains there, it can always be changed and predestiny need not come around.

CORA: I don't understand that... Can you give me more?

THERRY: It must be remembered that all games have a Royal steering current... In this case, it is the script that governs the very nature of the game. A part of that script governs how thoughts are turned into action.

  1. The individual encounters an imbalance in his nature;
  2. He understands that there is something that he either needs or he wants;
  3. That is the point where his feeling is converted into a thought;
  4. This is the point where the mind searches for the definition that reflect either the need, or the want;
  5. With this new definition the individual can now understand the want, or the need;
  6. This is the first true thought;
  7. The new thought now is sent to another part of the brain... its a reality check;
  8. This is the point where it is discovered if the object is of the real world, or the illusion world;
  9. The new thought is now sent for its world's recognition;
  10. If the thought belongs to the real world, the thought is sent to the value systems;
  11. If the thought belongs to the world of illusion, another reality check;
  12. This is the point where values are applied;
  13. At this point we know if the behavior is called good or bad;
  14. It is at this point where free will or predestiny is applied;
  15. We now reach the border of the mental level... A decision is made;
  16. If we decide to commit a behavior, the thought is sent to the emotional level;
  17. This is the point where mobility is infused to the thought;
  18. This is the last chance to not commit the behavior;
  19. If we decide to commit, the thought is now a behavior on the physical level;
  20. This is the point where physical Karma is invoked.

Well, if you only think about something, then it can be changed without no real harm 'cause you haven't done anything other than think and you haven't evoked the law other than the thought.

CORA: So that just means you're just thinking about doing something but not doing it?

THERRY: Right. Now once you get into a fantasy of doing something, it's still thinking, but it's also a behavior. It's a behavior on that level. So you've begun the process of actually doing something, so you've started evoking laws. And those laws will have their effects on this level as well because it's a fabric. Now once you actually do something on this level, you've evoked a law and you're brought somebody else into it. It's no longer just you. Now, you bear a karmic responsibility on this level as well as on the thought level. That's it.

CORA: Okay, how about the first thought and omissions and commissions and how do those things work in relation to Karma?

THERRY: Okay, there remember the laws of behavior?

CORA: Which law of behavior are you talking about?

THERRY: About the pattern of behavior itself -- how when you first do something, it's a long time before you're aware of the connection between the pain and the behavior... and then as time grows you recognize the connection more and more. You still can't do anything about it, but you still recognize the connection. That ex behavior creates ex pain and then finally as you grow more, you commit the behavior and recognize it right away. You still can't do anything about it, but you recognize it. Then as you grow, as time goes by, you recognize it a little bit before you do it, but you still do it anyway and as time goes on, that distances increases between the recognition and the behavior and then finally, you recognize it way before you commit, you recognize it even as you think about it rather than do it. So that distance increases. Well, that's how that occurs. Now somewhere along the line in automatic pilot there is a door that allows you to enter so that you can make a change. Now depending on what's programmed which again has to do with predestiny, you will either be able to change your behavior before, during or after a deed and that's where the omissions and commissions come in. Now, the omissions and commissions themselves is directly a very specific set of laws that translates to ..."it takes at least ten times the pain to get out of something as it took the pleasure to get into it."

CORA: Okay, so when you say that I've evoked law, is any behavior that you do evoking law?

THERRY: Not only the behavior but it's also in the thinking, the fantasies. They evoke law too.

CORA: So anything you do on any level of existence is also evoking a law...

THERRY: Okay, you remember the power of language, the power of word, the power of thought?

CORA: The fact that it [the power of language] creates a reality?

THERRY: Okay, you remember my telling you why every moment of every day of every single thing you do is so important because it always does three things at the same time? Remember that?

CORA: It either ratifies the past, makes/takes care of the needs of the present situation and makes the future.

THERRY: Right, now there's one thing [wrong] with what you used the word, "either."

CORA: It does all three things at once.

THERRY: It does all three things at the same time. And that's how you evoke the law and that's how you use the laws of creation. And it doesn't matter on what level you do this. If you do it on the mental level, the emotional level, or on the physical level or whatever other level, those laws apply. And that's how you use the laws of creation. And because you are having more and more awareness, unlike the average human, you're aware of power and you're aware of the laws of creation ... you're tapped into Arkashea... Remember when you first came to us? We told you then that the game of power was a trap which you could not escape. Once you invoked the laws of creation, you invoked, in the same self moment, The Game Of Divine Law.

CORA: So is it dark to sleep with that woman?

THERRY: No, dark/light doesn't enter into it.

CORA: Why? How does the forces of darkness not enter this?

THERRY: Again, like I said, it is not what you think that's important. It's what you do. Just because a part of the sexual continuum calls it un-natural, that does not make it so from Karma's point of view. Remember, the laws of creation created the entire continuum. It's not natural to believe that the very forces that created a thing, should condemn its own creation.

CORA: So what does enter it?

THERRY: It has to do with your trade-off and what you're willing to experience. What you're willing to pay in order to get what you think you want. Basically everything you do you go and shop at our special store.

CORA: Now what's that mean in terms of...if I didn't convert anyone? What does that mean? It just depends on Karma as to... and if I'm gay I'll have certain experiences and if I'm not I won't be converted because I didn't convert somebody else?

THERRY: Well, obviously you have already converted somebody.

CORA: Me, right?

THERRY: Yes, then it's pretty certain you will be converted and then it's a case of how badly, how much pain, and how long whatever...

CORA: But if I don't convert anybody else it's better?

THERRY: Obviously.

CORA: So how, you... things wear off or people get more freewill when the pain gets big enough and then they go into automatic pilot like for me, obviously, I'm trapped in a cycle and obviously, I'm willing to play it out versus walking through the pool of pain and just not doing it because I've made the decision at least at this point in my life...

THERRY: Yeah, but the question is, how much of that is predestiny and how much of that is freewill.

CORA: I don't know. I mean, you told me when I met you that I was bisexual but also that I had some predestiny in that area and even if I hadn't met you I would've had certain situations and probably more pain since I didn't understand all this.

THERRY: Our whole idea is to help you understand so that you can lessen the pain and so that you can create a better future script. Understanding is what's going to set you free. Knowledge will condemn you to earth and wisdom will raise you to higher levels.

CORA: Is it condemning myself more to want to get married and have a long term relationship to somebody even if it's a woman?

THERRY: You're the one who's going to have to decide that.

CORA: Well, okay. The act itself, not... I know it depends on the situations.

THERRY: You know enough about the law so that you can answer that question. All you have to do is, stop that habit of throwing your wisdoms away. The wisdom that we've taught you, these laws apply on all levels. For you to say that, "Well, I didn't think of it in that terms doesn't apply anymore." You ought to stop doing that. If we give you a piece of wisdom, just because we might be talking about Hamburg, it doesn't mean it only applies to Hamburg. It applies to Chopsticks, and anything else that's involved on earth.

CORA: So it could or it doesn't have to depending on the situation. I mean, if I don't convert somebody and I live my life pretty well and I love them and I haven't done anything wrong to them, then I guess it'll be a marriage like other people's marriage within the Karma within that situation between two people.


CORA: It doesn't matter if I'm gay or straight. It's the Karma for those two people, right?

THERRY: Yes. It gets back to "What you think doesn't matter, it's what you do." And of course, the trade-offs. Obviously, if you want to continue living a gay life, while that's a behavior that also creates a future and if you insist on living with a gay woman in a gay relationship with gay friends, obviously that too creates a future. So as you say or as you said before, your unwillingness to go through the pool of pain in order to free yourself from the trap also creates a future. So using all of those patterns, you can pretty well tell what your future's going to be.

CORA: Does being gay, even if you're gay for a lot of lifetimes, mean that you couldn't study with Arkashea or that you wouldn't meet the mirror?

THERRY: Are you gay?

CORA: Well, I'm bisexual, but I'm more gay than straight, so I can't say.

THERRY: Are you studying with Arkashea?

CORA: Yes.

THERRY: Then doesn't that make that question stupid?

CORA: Well, I don't know any other gay people that study with you and I was straight when I met you.

THERRY: Hey... let's have a little truth here. It seems that you have conveniently forgotten all the conversations we had about you not feeling right when you were with a man. Besides, Arkashea never turns anybody away. Arkashea never judges anybody, remember? We judge no one. We simply seek to help people understand the trap they're in and the laws of their illusion. Everything else is their own business, not ours.

CORA: I guess eventually, if you have enough pain or enough insight or if you want to do something else you work on freeing yourself, right?

THERRY: One thing is for sure, you can't free yourself from something you can't recognize.

CORA: That's true.

THERRY: So if Arkashea helps you understand the laws of your illusion and it is your illusion, then you can better understand what is it that's going on and what it is you are dealing with. That sometimes seems to increase the pain, but it also gives you the opportunity to stop it, whereas before you had no opportunity to stop it.

CORA: You once told me that gay people couldn't fly on other alter-realities as high as heterosexuals.

THERRY: No, I didn't.

CORA: You didn't?

THERRY: No. I said they are limited to certain levels. I didn't say anything about flying.

CORA: Okay, they're limited to certain levels.

THERRY: They're limited to the three levels of Earth, the lower three levels of earth because they have learned to control them selves enough to get there, but they are not permitted to go any higher because the have not learned to control their errant emotions, as it were; but it is not because they are Gay, it is because of the degree of control and the inappropriate value systems, attitudes, and angers that they still harbor.

CORA: Now how... I don't understand why if it wasn't wrong... unless it's wrong. If it's not wrong...

THERRY: Right and wrong doesn't enter this. Let's look at it from a different point of view, okay? Let us say that we're going to make a chocolate cake, alright? In order to make a chocolate cake, we need a recipe. Now, there are only about three or four recipes in making a chocolate cake. There may be fifty (50) recipes, but the point is, it is a band of frequency of chocolate cake recipes.

CORA: Okay.

THERRY: Okay, you cannot go outside of that band to make a chocolate cake...

CORA: Okay.

THERRY: So if we say that each recipe is a different sub-level of the level called chocolate cake, then you can't go start putting vanilla, cement, sand, and expect to have a chocolate cake. For that same reason, the laws of your illusions for being gay condemn you [and most of the people of the world] to a certain area. If you go outside that area, you are no longer there, therefore that's the trap. To travel to the higher levels one must be in total control of their emotions.

CORA: Well...

THERRY: Gay people are limited to a certain band of the earth experience...If they want more than that, they have to learn to have control over their emotions. Likewise, heterosexuals are also limited to a certain band, but their band is different, because their experiences are different..

CORA: But how come their [heterosexuals] band is more?

THERRY: I don't know how to answer that... Maybe it's because there are more of them...

CORA: What about someone that has had kids?

THERRY: "Has had" belongs to a different level

CORA: If you had two people that were in Arkashea and one was gay and one was straight and they both had the same amount of wisdom...

THERRY: If they both had the same necessary control over their emotions, and the same necessary wisdom there would be no difference between them... because they were gay, or because they were heterosexuals, the feelings would be different, the effective level would be totally different, the cognitive level would be different. The sets of experiences would be different. There's a total uniqueness that is just in addition to average uniqueness. You cannot compare one with the other... They operate under a different set of laws. As a matter of fact, if you look throughout history, the real... some really beautiful and some really great things came from gay people. Now this doesn't mean that that beauty came because they were gay.

CORA: But based on what you just said that they have different effective and different cognitive and different awarenes...

THERRY: There are just as many beautiful things that came from straight people. The point is, you can't point a finger and say this beauty came because he or she was gay. I mean, that's just asinine.

CORA: It's just things like numerically there's this, the actresses, you know, gay people have that stereotype of being the hairdressers and the florists and the decorators and the...

THERRY: Stereotypes are nothing more than humans' prejudices. There are many, many hairdressers who are perfectly straight.

CORA: Yeah, I know.

THERRY: They use that as a means to contact women, to get into them, the same way as the whatever...

CORA: I guess I don't understand if it's... I guess you said what it was, it's just different frequencies.


CORA: It's not right or wrong?

THERRY: The term right or wrong should be dropped from your vocabulary. Those are the two...there are four, the words, "good," "bad," "right," or "wrong." Those four words are the most useless and the most misused words in the whole English language. They should be dropped and instead they should be replaced with the words "appropriate" and "inappropriate" for the thing, the time, the whatever.

CORA: I mean I can understand...

THERRY: It's no more than saying a murderer can't enter Door A, he has to enter Door B. [A] homosexual can't enter Door A or B, he's got to enter Door D. And it's the same. Fairness has got nothing to do with it. The word "fair" is the word or the concept that people cry out when they can't get their own way. It is because each has their own channel. Those are the laws of creation. If you're going to make a chocolate cake, you have to stick to the recipes [of] chocolate cake. You can have billions of versions, but they're still chocolate cake. You'll never get out of the chocolate cake band. It doesn't matter how fair it is, you just ain't gonna...

CORA: I've got another question based...well, kind of related to that...Can you have...can your nature still be bisexual and feel more gay or straight? I mean is...

THERRY: Yes you can.