Arkashean Q&A Session -- 009 (continues session 008)

LAUREN: I guess I was thinking first about the theatre, what if you just didn't have the attachment to it, and I was thinking what if a person had twenty million dollars, that doesn't necessarily make them possessed by money?

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: So, they may play the role of the rich man, yet that role does not keep them from following this law?

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: So, a person could play the role of an actor, yet not be possessed by all the negative games that go along with being an actor?

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: So, they wouldn't necessarily be serving two masters?

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: Doesn't what you just spoke of a moment ago seemed to go against what I'm now saying?


LAUREN: When you said you can't serve two masters... I don't understand... Why the difference?

THERRY: Alright, perhaps I can answer that by again asking you a question. If for the moment, you are playing a truck driver, does that mean for evermore you will play that role?

LAUREN: No, I don't think so; you could if you wanted to.

THERRY: Let's say your illusion is the housewife. Well, part of the housewife's duty is to play a role of chauffeur. Just because she is at the moment, or he is at the moment, a chauffeur, does that mean that he or she will forevermore be chauffeurs? It means periodically within their illusions, they have to consistently change roles, right? Isn't that the same thing? If somebody is playing the role of an actor now, does that mean they must forevermore be actors? What about when they get off the stage and go into their private life? I think there's a phrase that they used to use. I think it goes something like, `hey, don't let this get to your head.'

LAUREN: It would seem very difficult for a politician to play the role of politician and hold onto this law, because you really couldn't get anywhere in politics if you didn't serve another master besides the Universe?

THERRY: That is correct.

LAUREN: I mean, you could try, but you wouldn't last too long.

THERRY: No, you'd have to sell off your values.

LAUREN: If you tried to hold onto certain values, tried to follow Universal law, and be a politician, you wouldn't last five minutes.

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: Not in this world, right?

THERRY: That is correct. Again, that's not to say that the very nature of being a politician forbids you from being honorable. It simply means that because of the evolvement of politics on this planet, by the time you become powerful, you've already traded off everything you had. Consequently, when you say the phrase honor and politicians in the same sentence, you're usually talking about a contradiction in terms. That's like saying jumbo shrimp. (chuckles all around) They play with words so badly that they're meaningless.

LAUREN: Yea, like disinformation, that one, or peacekeepers; that's what they call the missiles, when they're aimed to kill. Right? Well, so, I guess with this law, to apply it to my everyday life, is becoming more aware of things that I feel I am possessed by, and working away from them. Working more to serve the Universe instead of serving myself?

THERRY: Yea. Being careful to not tarnish any honor that may be there. Which means sometimes you have to give up playing a game. Well, lets say you're learning from Arkashea, and let's say that Arkashea has just one demand from you. You cannot wear the color purple. Well, if you go to war because of whatever, cause you want to wear purple and you try to find all kinds of excuses of why you should be able to wear purple, because Arkashea's teaching you laws of creation, and they're supposed to be free, they're not supposed to have anything attached to them, blah, blah, blah; well obviously, your halo has become a noose.

LAUREN: And I would think that would start tarnishing other aspects of your life, as well, right?


LAUREN: You say, like a chain reaction.


LAUREN: Is it true that when you start selling out in one area, you'll start selling out in other areas?

THERRY: Yea the more you sell, the easier it becomes to sell. That's correct. Is that it.

LAUREN: Talk about a tangled weave... You need to learn all about your emotions before you can go up to the upper realms, yet you have to use your emotions in order to learn. Part of the Magic Circle, you said.


LAUREN: And I think, okay, that sounds fine, but what does it mean? I don't quite understand it?

THERRY: Okay, if you go back and look at the fact that, the law states that that which exists within the Chi must be dual in its nature and triune in its effects. That includes the illusion called man the species and man the individual. Which means that man the individual has more than one part to him; he's divided. Not only is his mind divided, but so is his body, since they both share in the phenomenon called the individual. But, if we look at the law, the human body, basically, is nothing more than a chemical factory; that's all it is. There is no logic there. But the human mind, on the other hand, while it may function by chemicals, basically it is not a chemical reaction; it uses chemical reactions to make decisions, etc. So the brain is basically a chemical factory, but the mind is not. So, based on that, you could see very apparently the dichotomy that exists within man the individual. There is the logical part, which belongs to the awareness factor, which is what we call thinking. But the law says that patterns repeat themselves, so it means, also, that that same phenomenon must exist on the lower levels. Well, the thinking process of the human body we call emotions. The emotions is the logic of the physical body, the same way as the thoughts is the logic of the mind through the mechanism of awareness. So the mechanism of awareness is on multiple levels.

LAUREN: Okay, I think maybe I'm getting a picture. Your emotions give you mobility?

THERRY: Bingo.

LAUREN: And, if you don't have control of those emotions, though, you won't be able to use them correctly, to get to the Upper Realms?

THERRY: Correct. And thus you will modify and otherwise limit your mobility.

LAUREN: Actually this does make sense. You learn all about them, and yet you have to use the emotions in order to learn--

THERRY: Again, this particular law points out how you're dealing with a fabric.

LAUREN: Right, it's so intertwined.

THERRY: So many different levels. Because, remember, you couldn't even change your mind if it wasn't for mobility. It is the mobility factor that allows you to do all types of changes.

LAUREN: It's really kind of lovely, actually; I don't know why, but it just suddenly seemed lovely.


LAUREN: I mean, it's so ordered.

THERRY: Exactly. Law usually is. And again, it's a very big phenomenon whereby you have the presence and the absence. If you think in most situations in your life, and in most illusions, the guiding force quite often is the presence of emotions, or the absence of emotions; or the presence of thought, or the absence of thought. How many divorce cases come into being because a phenomenon whereby the emotions are absent, or the emotions are present?

LAUREN: With one it could be present wanting absence, the other could have absence wanting presence.

THERRY: Exactly, it's a whole continuum.

LAUREN: I see, as you learn all about your emotions in order to learn--

THERRY: You use the emotions. Because you cannot have, or you cannot live on this particular level without living using your body, which is nothing more than emotions.

LAUREN: So, whenever you, as you most of the time are saying to people, is `get rid of your emotions! Leave your emotions outside; we don't want them here!' You're speaking very specially of the negative emotions?

THERRY: No, I'm speaking very specifically of not allowing the emotions to have control over the future.

LAUREN: `Cause as you just said, you can't do anything on this level without your emotions?

THERRY: Exactly. Emotions are necessary. They must be guarded; they must be allowed to develop; but like any errant child, they must be taught what their place is. They must be taught to operate fully functional, but within limits. If you do not teach your emotions their proper limits, like any child, they will take control, and you will have no--

LAUREN: Right, you lose the control and they control you.

THERRY: Right.

LAUREN: Could that fall into the other law--you are possessed by your emotions, you don't possess them?

THERRY: Exactly. But, you can see, if you look at all these laws, they're all intricately mixed; they are nothing more than, each law deals with one thread of the fabric which makes up your illusions.

LAUREN: For instance, if you want to be able to understand what goes on in another person's mind, as opposed to your own, you need to have a certain amount of control over your emotions, instead of them controlling you, in order so you can do that other law?

THERRY: Well, it goes even deeper than that. The claim to uniqueness demands that you can never know anything except yourself. Therefore, if you want to know something about somebody else, you must know something about yourself, and use what you know about yourself to make inferences about somebody else, and that's as far as you can go. As I was saying, the claim to uniqueness forbids that you actually know; the best that you can do is make assumptions. Based on what you know about yourself, and based upon the thinking pattern that, since they belong to the same species, they're going to have certain things in common, based upon certain laws and certain rules of creation.

LAUREN: What happens when individuals, maybe its happening on other levels, they gain a certain ability to see something about somebody else, um, for instance, they get a message about another individual, I mean, seemingly, you wouldn't understand where they got it from?

THERRY: Well, seems to me that what's happening there is that you're learning more of the laws of the reality which create the illusion of that individual. Remember the law, "The world of Illusion is the driving force for reality, and within that respective reality, it is the level of observation that creates the phenomenon," so on this level of reality, what we call common reality, there are a number of levels that go in the recipe called Glo, but this level is not the only part of Glo, Glo has other levels too, so if you go in an alter reality, and begin learning the laws of those illusions, and then you go through a process called the "Grand Awakening," where the two begin to merge, obviously your abilities become greater.

LAUREN: So, if a person gains certain abilities, they still have to deal with the claim to uniqueness with each individual, is that true? They can see more of that individual, but they cannot get inside that individual's head, is that true?

THERRY: Ah Yes to the first question, That' no for the other question... Because of the way you said it, you said that they can see more of that individual, that's not true. If you want to be more accurate, they can make more accurate assumptions, but it's never more than assumptions, based on what they know about themselves. Remember, if you go to war, it is never against anybody but yourself, because the claim to uniqueness forbids it. Likewise, you can never do anything for or with somebody else, the claim to uniqueness forbids it. That's why you can never teach anything to anyone; the only thing that you can do is to make information available, and if there is going to be any teaching involved, by our definitions, then it is simply a case of that individual accepts your words, and makes whatever changes within or without themselves as they so choose according to the rules of their games.

LAUREN: It seems sometimes, and I don't count you in this, it seems sometimes that Tim is able to get in and know what I am thinking.

THERRY: I know he can; it's not a case of it seems, I know for a fact he can... because he knows himself.

LAUREN: Well then, he's not making assumptions, he knows what I'm thinking?

THERRY: Not true. They are assumptions. It's just that as you gain in abilities, as you go through the process of the "Grand Awakening," you can make better and better assumptions from our point of view, in that these assumptions become more and more correct on greater levels.

LAUREN: Right, all conclusions are assumptions; that's part of the laws of Awareness, is it not?

THERRY: Exactly

LAUREN: You can never have a cold fact; a conclusion is an assumption that has, uh,--

THERRY: Right, the better way of saying it, the only individual who can really 'know' anything about you is you. And even that is limited to how much you really know about yourself and your laws. Everybody else can only assume.

LAUREN: When you asked what the definition of Spirituality was back in one of those sessions with Babs, and everyone came up with different ideas, and when it was said, 'Know Thyself,' and I remember reading that years and years ago by Socrates-- Know Thyself before All Else, I think it was.

THERRY: Yea, the proper study of man is himself. That's why we say that when you enter this monastery you become a student of yourself.

LAUREN: Because, if you understand your patterns, and you understand them very clearly, and you come across somebody else who has very different patterns from you, yet through your own understanding of yourself, will you be able to read theirs better?

THERRY: Yes, you can make educated guesses. Of course, because of the nature of reality on this level, it is not perceived as assumptions, it is perceived as fact.

LAUREN: When psychiatrists, psychologists, they have basic guidelines they've studied for years and years, hopefully, through classes and different courses which are outlines that cover different patients with different problems, and the outlines are basic patterns that are attached to these problems?


LAUREN: --they are making assumptions of those individuals--

THERRY: But they don't view it as assumptions, they view it as discovering what really is. That's why they call it diagnosis.

LAUREN: Really, it seems that they're teaching the patient to know themselves.

THERRY: That's one way of putting it.

LAUREN: Because by the patient understanding his problem, he will be free, he will free himself from the problem?

THERRY: Yes, providing he chooses to, or providing the game that he has chosen to play will allow him to free himself. Remember the law, "You can use the power of your free-will to choose any game, but, having chosen that game, you must now abide by the rules that govern that game"; you cannot simply enter or leave the game as you choose; you must do so according to the rules of that game. I believe you have that as one of your laws someplace. That's why it's so important that if you want to know yourself, the only way you can do it is to know the laws of your illusion. Quite often many people will come up to you, or me, or whatever, and they'll say, " How does somebody do this or that? I do this thing and I can't seem to stop myself. How do you learn to do this? Or, how do you learn to stop to do that?" The obvious answer is to learn the laws of your illusion.

LAUREN: Now, if somebody comes up to you and asks you that, and they're not necessarily studying with Arkashea, or they don't even know the term laws, illusions, things like that, there must be another way of phrasing it that will still get the same message across?

THERRY: Not really...because it doesn't do you or the individual any good to give him what they perceive as a platitude, or a meaningless mumbo-jumbo. That's why I don't deal with the public in general, I only deal with specific individuals, cause they have already reached a certain stage in their growth patterns. They're less in love with themselves and their own thoughts. They're more willing to accept an alternate point of view.

LAUREN: You have to have a common language?

THERRY: that can be learned.

LAUREN: You have to want to learn it.

THERRY: Bingo. When an individual lives their life such that they feel the only thing that is possible is what they know, obviously, I will never want to work with them. In order for me to even begin thinking of helping another, they must have reached the plateau which says hey, "There's got to more to life than what I know."

LAUREN: That seems to be the big problem with many intellectuals that I've come across.

THERRY: Yes, especially science in general. If they don't know it , it's not worth knowing. Or, if they don't know it, it doesn't exist. So with an attitude like that, hey, have fun with your games.

LAUREN: Well, I've got one more. I think it's totally tied in with the one we just spoke of: learning about your emotions before you can go to the Upper Realms, yet you have to use your emotions in order to learn. And this one: you've got to open up in order to see in, also part of the Magic Circle?

THERRY: Yes, well it goes back to what we were just talking about; if you're more in love with your own words then that's all you're going to pay attention to.

LAUREN: You will never see inside yourself, and grow.

THERRY: Exactly

LAUREN: and grow, and gain more wisdom.

THERRY: Exactly, but you also have to bear in mind that that's also tied to the level of security. Many people cannot open up, simply because to do so they feel would destroy them. If you are so insecure that you cannot accept an alternate point of view, then there's no way you're going to open up. And it also depends in any particular situation that you find yourself in. Obviously a turtle standing before a hungry cat, is not about to come out of its shell. It's just not in the order of things. The same thing as a very insecure human in the presence of other humans who have no regard for anybody's feelings, they're not about to make themselves vulnerable.

LAUREN: Now, with this law, You've got to open up in order to see in?

THERRY: In short, you've got to get yourself out of the way. That's easier said than done.

LAUREN: Can a person open up too much?

THERRY: Well, your question is based on a blanket statement.

LAUREN: I guess I'm thinking, ah, that a person is so open to learning new ideas, new things, they don't know where to pick and choose, they don't form any kind of foundation for themselves,

THERRY: Okay, bear in mind that any change is simply a process of readjusting the limits that you grew up with. Therefore, that is very very very closely connected to the Martian Syndrome, stability. So, from that reference point, yea, it is possible, it is possible that you have set your limits, or the strength, the sturdiness, or the tenacity of your limits such that for all practical purpose they don't exist, in which case you have the Martian Syndrome. Equally as inappropriate is to set your limits so rigid that learning just doesn't take place because if you don't already know it, it's not worth knowing.

LAUREN: Basically, it comes back, I think, to you can't do this without a teacher, because who are you to know this on your own?

THERRY: Well, yes, in a way, but you also have to bear in mind that there's a double path again, everything's dual in it's nature. You have to bear in mind that as there is a path that you must walk alone, because of the claim to uniqueness, so too there is a path that you cannot walk alone. You obviously cannot teach yourself things that you do not know. So, to learn something that is totally, totally new to you, you need somebody to give you an alternate thought. But the actual change is back along the path that you yourself, must walk alone, because of the claim to uniqueness. So, it's an intricate weave. Obviously, to know thyself, you must stop thinking linearly.

LAUREN: Yea, I was just thinking, I don't always think in a webbed way of thinking, or an intertwined way of thinking. It's only after something happens or something is said, that I think, "Oh yea, it's all interconnected." Yet, much of the time, I'm singling out one instance, one individual, one law, anything, and putting it by itself... Is that good or bad?

THERRY: In you that is getting less. You're growing, you're learning, you're changing. You have to understand that growth is nothing more than readjusting the limits that you already have. Some limits you place on a sliding scale, and, hence, the situation controls where the limits are placed. Others are so sturdy that they never change regardless of what situation that you're in. So that too, is a continuum. Obviously, your Maat, those limits are rock-solid, and should never change, except via the update of Automatic Pilot. But other limits have to be so flexible that they can change any time, without, of course, creating the Martian Syndrome. So, your seeming stability in life, or within your illusion is again tied to that continuum of limits.

LAUREN: I was talking about last week when you said I was not dealing with alter-realities right now, and I immediately thought it was negative, and you said no, it's not necessarily negative, it's part of the growth, uh, well, anyway, I'll get into what I was talking about regarding meditation. I think I have to think about the duality being in all things with myself more. For instance--

THERRY: See, a couple of weeks ago, you were pretty busy in your alter-reality situations--

LAUREN: Well, I guess so. Now, this past week, things have been feeling sort of mundane, lets put it that way, and I would be out in the world and I would do the prayer you said, and I would take that time aside, I would meditate at home, it didn't feel the same.

THERRY: Yea, but go back further, when you were going--

LAUREN: Well, prior to this last week, the week before, two weeks before that, I felt like I was, you know, directly connected to the Universe, almost all the time. And, I would meditate, and I would feel, ah, it was so incredible, it had me weeping all the time.

THERRY: So, you were heavy in your alter-realities there. You have to bear in mind that everything runs in cycles.

LAUREN: You know what happened last night was I was meditating and I was saying to myself, I don't want to make empty gestures, and I don't want to get my demanding part of myself coming into play, and I don't want to use my impatience as I usually do to start saying, why isn't this happening, or why isn't that happening?, because, as you've said, it's all in cycles, and with one will come another; just wait it out?

THERRY: Exactly.

LAUREN: So, last night I did that, and--

THERRY: Remember, it goes back to that law, specifically, the one about if you're possessed by, or you possess, or whatever?

LAUREN: Oh, If you're possessed by nothing....

THERRY: Yea, isn't that the law you're dealing with now?

LAUREN: I guess that would be it. What happened was, when I said these things in my mind last night, I was having a conversation, and I was saying, basically, what I'm doing incorrectly, I want to stop. I was saying, I would like to have such and such experience, and I would like to have this experience too, but then I said, wait a minute. And I thought of the phrase, "Thy Will be Done." It's not up to me. Wasn't that great?

THERRY: Right, another way of saying that is can you serve more than one master.

LAUREN: Well, after I had these thoughts, I got that feeling again, that rush, and it was very beautiful, and I said, oh, I think I did the right thing. And that meant a lot to me, and it feels like it's all tied in with my impatience, right?

THERRY: Yes, 'cause that's your prime war, impatience. You want something, and you want it now. A lot of times you want it, and you don't realize that in order to get it, you have to do some work, but you're not willing to do the work. You want credit.

LAUREN: I think the Universe knows more than me, and when it's time for me to have certain experiences, it will happen, regardless of how much I want them now, and things like that. See, I don't know how much I should intervene, as far as saying, if I think about it strongly, maybe this will happen... What do you think?

THERRY: Do you know the difference between being assertive, and being aggressive?

LAUREN: Well, I, probably not.

THERRY: What do you think it is?

LAUREN: Well, aggressive, to me, implies certain negative aspects in an individual; a pushy person. Assertive, to me, is someone who is direct, who knows what he wants, and goes out and gets it, without forcing.

THERRY: That's the key, without forcing. When you do things, and you begin using force, you cease to be assertive, and you begin being aggressive. That's the key when you're working with alter-realities. You must always be assertive in that you must always do that which is required by the situation, and that which is required by the recipe for what it is that you want, but you must never, never be aggressive. You cannot storm the gates of heaven.

LAUREN: I'm not sure if there are times when I not only move away from being aggressive, yet I also move away from being assertive, and I'm just passive?

THERRY: That too is part of the continuum. Remember, it's cyclic, and if you want to look at it, draw a sign wave, and those will be the cycles. There will be high points, there will be neutral points, and there will be down points. But in all cases, if you become aggressive, rather than assertive, all you do is go to war... Your always in the down points.

LAUREN: And that prevents you from going anywhere?

THERRY: Well, not anywhere. It allows you to go into a game. Which you can have a lot of fun with that type of pain, if that's your bag.

LAUREN: Remember when you said you must become fanatical in--

THERRY: In your love, only in your love.

LAUREN: Oh, I thought I had to become fanatical in my thinking about lucid dreaming. I had to think about it every minute of the day, and I just don't do it.

THERRY: That's absurd. Nobody can do that. In short, your love for the Universe must be unconditional. That doesn't mean that every single moment of every single minute of every single year of every single whole lifetime, all you think about is the love of the Universe, that's absurd. Life is for the living, not to sit there and worry.

LAUREN: Cause I go through cycles with, when I say I would like to have such and such experience, or I think, say, well, maybe I should try this in order to have this happen. Then I don't think about it for days and days, and then I think about it again. And I thought, well, maybe I'm not doing it right. But you're saying that that's acceptable, because that's part of the cyclic nature in man?

THERRY: Yup, remember, your tendency to be impatient is that part of the cycle where you begin the process of forcing things. You go to war. You can't steal from the store, the Universal store. If you're going to buy something there, you're going to have to pay the price. Which means, you're going to have to follow the recipe... if you want to get whatever it is you want. Hence, it becomes more important, if you hope to succeed, learn the laws of the illusions. Obviously you wouldn't tell a family member or a friend to go bake a chocolate cake if you knew they didn't have the recipe, right. Have the same care for yourself.

LAUREN: There are times when I feel incredible connection and love for the Universe, and other times when I feel, ugh... Why?

THERRY: Isn't that part of the cycles? Even though you have to admit, however, during the times that are seemingly neutral, you still have this deep unusual contentment.

LAUREN: Oh, yea.

THERRY: Such that you're never never alone,

LAUREN: Oh, yea.

THERRY: You're never lonely, you're never in a state where something is missing.

LAUREN: You know, the other day when I was out having breakfast with Bill and Babs, and she was saying something about how she doesn't understand how a person could live without touching another, and she said she didn't mean just sex, but she meant cuddling, and affection. I didn't say anything, because I didn't feel it was my place, but what immediately crossed my mind was I am so much closer to people here, and I feel enveloped in a closeness and love here than I never remember feeling in the outside world when I had boyfriends and sex all the time, and stuff like that. Well, not all the time, but whenever I had it, there was always an emptiness that has been completely filled here without ever having to have any kind of close physical contact... isn't that great?

THERRY: Right. That's because here you get love, unconditionally.

LAUREN: Right. Sometimes I'll see you and Tim holding hands, and I'll think, gee, I wish he'd hold my hand (laughing).

THERRY: We hold your hand too.

LAUREN: I know, but that's just me being a little girl, or something, and that comes and goes.

THERRY: It's a case of when you greet people, you greet according to acceptable physical behavior. You keep the physical at a bare, bare minimum. For instance, you never see anybody, at least not the males, you never see males sitting there hugging one another. That's just unacceptable.

LAUREN: In the kitchen I've seen two males... they'll hug one another.

THERRY: In greetings, and stuff like that, yea, they'll do that. But we all greet that way. The point is, there is a very acceptable band of physical closeness. But there is also a limit, a line that just must never be crossed, because once you cross that line, sexuality comes into it, and that's just not appropriate.

LAUREN: I know, we've talked about that. And even if you, the individual do not feel the sexuality, you could be bringing it on in somebody else?

THERRY: Correct.

LAUREN: I mean, not to say, though, that as a woman in the midst of a lot of men, if there's some guy that has a problem with his hard-on, I don't have to cover myself from head to toe to help him out... right?

THERRY: That's correct.

LAUREN: I mean, he's got to deal with his own problem. At the same time, though, I don't need to bring on unnecessary difficulty for that individual.

THERRY: Doesn't that go into communications, again? Isn't that implying that law?

LAUREN: It's not important what goes on in your mind, it's what goes on in the other person's mind that counts?

THERRY: Exactly.

LAUREN: Because you could say, hey we can just roll around on top of each other, it won't bother me! But the other person might be sweating bullets?

THERRY: Right. So, again it goes back also, into the purpose for the communication. Therefore, when you are communicating, you are responsible for that which is not being said.

LAUREN: Right. Okay, so I guess everything else is good. I had one more situation I wanted to bring up, and it had to do with last week when I was meditating, and I guess you could tell me if it was valid or not. It was, uh, I saw this Indian man, and I wondered if he was the same person--can I talk?

THERRY: Yea, what I was just thinking is that I find it amusing that uh, you're so fascinated with the magic that is taught here, such that you're fascinated in continuingly wanting these alter-realities, and all of this other stuff that goes on here, and one of the things is that for the past week or so you've been whimpering saying that, gee I must be doing something wrong, because nothing is happening, and here we're talking about little spurts of--

LAUREN: (Laugh) Well, yea, it's just not in my sleep.

THERRY: Yea, yea, yea.

LAUREN: I think this guy was valid. I don't know if he was the same person that I saw when I was lying here on the bed and I just briefly saw a man who's throat was cut, and he was an American Indian, because we didn't talk about that. This guy was a young man. Basically what I was seeing in my mind, and it wasn't all that clear, him, with a woman, I believe she was older than him, but I believe she was his wife, his whatever, and he was screwing her, and, was this valid?

THERRY: Why ask me if it was valid? It was your experience. What are you being taught here?

LAUREN: I'm being taught lots of things.

THERRY: Okay, but aren't you being taught the laws of realities, and how they apply?


THERRY: Aren't you being taught that just because various phenomenon exists, you can always tell when you're just mind-gaming yourself as opposed to when you're having an alter-reality experience? Aren't you also being taught the differences between simply letting your mind run away with yourself as opposed to opening up a window into, for lack of a better word, let's just say, opening up a magic window?

LAUREN: Right, and I don't think this is something I would have just conjured up in my mind.

THERRY: Well, during the actual phenomenon, did you bother to apply the laws of testing to find out if you're mind-gaming, or if it's real?

LAUREN: No, I don't know what to do.

THERRY: Well, how can you tell if anything you're being taught is real or not? Why couldn't it just be a figment of your imagination?

LAUREN: I usually check with you.

THERRY: No you don't .

LAUREN: I come to you afterwards, and say, was that valid?

THERRY: That's not true. Because by the claim to uniqueness, there is no way I can tell you if what you saw was true or not true. All I can you, according to the laws of realities, if they fit the pattern of those realities.

LAUREN: All right. Well, I don't know what I should do to know if it's... what level it's on?

THERRY: Well, when you sit and you're just thinking--

LAUREN: Oh, when I'm in a meditative state, I wouldn't just be--well, sometimes things come to mind, but, no, they don't just randomly come, they usually have an order to them... is that it?

THERRY: But, even if they do, don't you know the difference between when you're thinking, versus when you're meditating, versus when you're feeling, versus when you're not? Don't you know the difference when you're in a dream versus when you're awake? Or when you're lucid dreaming, as opposed to when you're not? In short, don't you apply the laws of testing for validity?

LAUREN: Well, I don't know, I haven't had those many experiences, so I don't really know.

THERRY: What has that got--

LAUREN: I don't know to know the difference, because I haven't--

THERRY: Does that change the fact that you, within the experience, know the degree to which it is seemingly real to you versus when it's just you thinking?... or mind-gaming?

LAUREN: I just go on my feeling. On whether it feels right or not.

THERRY: Okay, you're sitting here and you're looking at me. Don't you automatically, are you not automatically aware of the whole syndrome of this phenomenon? And when you go back into an alter-reality like you're talking about, don't you do that same testing? (long silence) In short, how can you tell say you saw this vision, this Indian thing, how can you tell me that you saw this? Why can't it be a figment of your imagination?

LAUREN: That I just imagined it?

THERRY: Yea, in short, what makes you think that it isn't just a thought?

LAUREN: Because I was seeing a pattern in a person, and it seemed like I was being shown something.

THERRY: Were you seeing, or were you perceiving... just thinking? Were you actually experiencing, or--

LAUREN: No, I was actually feeling some of the things that were going on, even though I wasn't seeing multi-color, I was just seeing something in my head.

THERRY: The point is were you experiencing it in a true reality, or is it just remembering things, or is it just thinking things?

LAUREN: I feel like it was a--

THERRY: Were you in an illusion, or were you in a thought?... were you looking through a magic window into a past life?

LAUREN: I think I was in an illusion of some kind, I guess. I don't know.

THERRY: You're making it almost impossible for anybody to help you understand if you yourself consistently confuse your own experiences. If you don't know the difference between thinking, feeling, seeing, sensing, then how can you know anything in any reality? It doesn't take a very brilliant person to know the difference between pinching themselves, as opposed to imagining what it would be like to pinch themselves. I mean, those two are so different in experience, it doesn't take a very brilliant person to sit there and think of chopping a tree down, versus standing there and before your eyes seeing a actual picture of somebody chopping a tree down. The phenomenon are totally different. Those are the tests for reality. If you don't, by yourself, know the differences between your own perceptions, how the hell can you know anything? Much less, how much can you learn? Because haven't we been trying to teach you that you have to know the laws of your own reality first?

LAUREN: (Laugh) Yes.

THERRY: So, obviously, before you can go much further in terms of your alter-realities, before you can achieve what it is that you are looking for, you have to be able to make certain degrees of validity within your own experiences. Like now, you're sitting here talking to me, right? Maybe tomorrow you're going to turn around and say, no that didn't happen, it was just a figment of my imagination. How can you prove otherwise, if you don't even know what it is that you've done? If I sit here and tell you no, you're mind-gaming, does that mean you're mind-gaming? How are you going to know, if you don't even know your own experiences? Obviously, you have to know the different degrees of validity or clarity, and the differences of how information is gained by you. For instance, if I reach over and I tap you on the knee, is that a different set of experiences versus you picturing me tapping you on the knee?

LAUREN: That's very different.

THERRY: How can you tell if you don't know the differences?

LAUREN: There's different feelings. There's a whole different interaction that takes place.

THERRY: So, therefore, there is test procedures, isn't there. What the hell good is having test procedures, if you don't obey the laws? If you mix everything together, and don't know the difference between how, what, when, where, how can you make validity, or grow, or much less travel in any area if you don't know what it is you're doing? If you yourself don't experience those differences, and catalog them as such, and use them as reference points to understand various phenomenon, how can you be expected to travel? As a matter of fact, without those test procedures, how can you tell the difference between something happening in a dream as opposed to something that happened yesterday while you were walking down the street?

LAUREN: I guess it's a feeling that I don't always trust what I'm thinking, or what comes to me... I think?

THERRY: What has trust got to do with you testing the situation and finding out if you are simply thinking it, or if you are experiencing it?

LAUREN: Well, when it's happening, I'm not thinking about anything, I'm just looking at it, or seeing it.

THERRY: But how do you know that this is real? How do you know that when those things happen, that it is in fact happening? How do you know that during those experiences, all you're doing is letting your imagination run away with you? How can you tell the difference?

LAUREN: I have a problem, then, because I can't always tell.

THERRY: There is a way of telling. How can you tell if you're talking to me or if you're just dreaming that you're talking to me? Do you know the difference?

LAUREN: Well, I can say, I'm talking to you--

THERRY: But how do you know that?

LAUREN: I don't! I don't know how you--

THERRY: In other words, you don't know the difference between--

LAUREN: Well, I know one's in a dream, and one's here, but--

THERRY: How can you know?

LAUREN: I don't know! Give me a reason!

THERRY: Well I have already given you the reasons.

LAUREN: Well, for instance, if one feels differently, the interaction is different, um--

THERRY: The feeling is different, the interaction is different, the logic is different, the sensing is different, the overall vibes are different, the clarity of the sight is different, the clarity of the feeling is different; absolutely every single minute part is different. When you look and see the color yellow; colors, for instance, the colors are either going to be more sharp then they are here, or they're going to be less sharp than they are in this reality. Either you're going to be thinking more clear, or you're going to be fogged more. All of these little things, they're all test points.

LAUREN: All right.

THERRY: It's also possible that within a vision a certain phenomenon would happen, or a person would do something that they just never would do in this phenomenon. Maybe one guy has blond hair in one phenomenon, black hair in another. Various things are inconsistent with other things. There are always many, many many test points. If you yourself don't know when you're happening, or when you're real, or when you're making believe, or when you're just thinking, there's no way you can learn. You have to be able to know the difference between them, based on the input you're receiving. That is some that you need to start paying attention to... That is your lesson for this year.

LAUREN: Alright, well let me tell you about some of these things, because sometimes they're not very clear. It's not like I suddenly get a clear picture.

THERRY: They don't have to be clear; the fact that there is a difference tells you what is happening. If you're sitting here talking to me, and for no apparent reason the vision in front of you changes, well you know automatically that something is happening. Or if you're sitting there relaxing, meditating, and all of the sudden the reality, the surrounding that you're in is no longer there, you suddenly find yourself in Ancient Egypt, or in Ancient Greece, and because of the differences, you know you're not sleeping, because the state called sleep for you is just not this state, the feelings are different and everything, then obviously you know that there is something different. You're not awake, or at least you are awake, but you're not in this common reality, so you have to be someplace.

LAUREN: Right.

THERRY: So there are ways to test your own validity. It's not necessary for you to know which part of time you're in. It's not necessary for you to know which part of space you're in, but it is necessary for you to know the difference if you are in a reality, versus you are in an alter-reality... or if your mind-gaming.

LAUREN: Okay. The ones I've told you about, I feel it's a window I'm looking through; I mean, I haven't actually gone there, but at the same time I feel like I have been there, or like you say, it's all existing at the same time; that's a hard concept for me to understand. But, I am just looking through a window.

THERRY: Okay, but look at it this way: you've had experiences where you have, in fact, been there. And you've had experiences where you've looked into a window, and you've had experiences where you were in a dream state, and you've had experiences where you were in a mind state. You've had those four, because they're automatic on the level of training that you've achieved so far. So now you're beginning to confuse the differences between those four areas, and you need to pay a little closer attention to their differences. Obviously that window is projection.

LAUREN: Right--

THERRY: When you are there, that's Astration. When you are remembering, then that's what it is, a memory. You also have to bear in mind that memory is multiple; there's emotional memories, there's logical memories, and there's pictorial memories; But the reality of each is different; you have to learn to start paying attention to them. So that when you do have a phenomenon, you can be relatively comfortable with it, because you know where you're at.

LAUREN: Except for that time, that moment of a lucid dream, you said that that was Astration, I thought to my self--

THERRY: But you didn't need me to tell you--

LAUREN: But I didn't know! I swear, I did not feel like I was somewhere... was I?

THERRY: You did not need me to tell you that you were at a phenomenon.

LAUREN: No, I guess I needed to know what it was, though. Whatever kind of phenomenon it was. I knew it wasn't this reality, but--

THERRY: But you knew you were there, the same way as right now you know you're here. All of your five senses, and your two unknown senses, all tell you you are there, the same way that they tell you you're there in an Astration cycle. True or not true, or is that confusing too?

LAUREN: No, I guess it's true;

THERRY: See, the thing is, you have to come to pay more attention to that. You have to become more aware of your surroundings. Otherwise, the process of teaching you how to travel will have to stop, because you're just going to get yourself into a whole lot of trouble. If you don't know the difference between reality and make-believe, things will stop real fast. The last thing we need is for you walking off a bridge or walking off a building because you don't know the difference between mind-gaming and reality. For all we know you could be going out there walking in front of a car because you don't know the difference--

LAUREN: Oh, don't be ridiculous.

THERRY: You talk about being ridiculous, but you seem to forget there are thousands and thousands of people who are in the care of psychiatrists, or who are locked up because they do not know the differences within their respective realities. So, it's not a case of being ridiculous, it's a case of being very important; and you also know that if you are not very stable in this reality, there's no way we're going to start teaching you alter-realities, there's just no way, `cause it's too dangerous. Until you know more about being aware of your various realities, we're just going to shut the door on your alter-realities. You have to be more aware of your surroundings, both on a logical level, on a social level, on an emotional level, on a physical level, and on a pictorial level.

LAUREN: Well, are there exercises I can do to work on this?

THERRY: Yea, when you're having an experience, you take the time to find out how you feel, how you see, what you know.

LAUREN: All right, if that's the case, if I think about it--

THERRY: You have to learn a language. Right at the moment your problem is you have not applied the proper labels to the phenomenon that make up the illusion. Right at the moment the term real, alter-reality, time cycles, all of that is nothing but meaningless labels to you. And until you learn to put them in their proper perspective, you can't handle alter-realities because you cannot manipulate your data.

LAUREN: Can you tell me then what this was? I think it was a projection--

THERRY: My telling you what it is would be useless if you cannot tell me what it was you were feeling, the nature of your feeling, the validity of your feeling, the extent of your feeling, the clarity--

LAUREN: I can tell you some of that--

THERRY: --of your feeling, and the exact same set of information not only on your feeling aspect, but also on your emotional aspects, on your psychological aspects, on your sociological aspects, and on your Maat and your belief-system aspects. You have to have all that together; that's what creates an illusion, be it common reality or alter-reality. You have to be able to tell me how you feel right now--

LAUREN: Frustrated!

THERRY: No, that's just one little tiny thing. What makes you think you ain't dreaming right now? What makes you think you're not really in bed dreaming?

LAUREN: Because of the situation.

THERRY: You're giving me a great big nebulous nothing; (chuckles) Because of the situation'--you can't manipulate data that way. You have to take this experience and tear it apart in terms of how you are receiving information, what part of you is looking at the information you are receiving, and what it is that you are receiving, how and why. If you can't tell me that because you don't know, then you cannot manipulate your data, and therefore you can recognize nothing. All you go by is a big, nebulous `but I'm feeling, I know this'. Big deal, that doesn't tell you anything. That doesn't tell you the differences between what you're experiencing now as opposed to you experiencing the same thing when you're dreaming. How can you tell the difference? Much less if you're just sitting down thinking what if these things would happen. How can you tell the differences if you don't pay attention to your surroundings? "Remember the power of language law? Remember that? Give me the law. Tell me where the power of language is".

LAUREN: It gets its power not in what you communicate to others, but in how you communicate to yourself.

THERRY: Bingo. So if you can't communicate to yourself the different aspects of the illusion you find yourself in, how can you hope to achieve any guidance? If you can't tell the difference between the phenomenon that's happening between you and I now, as opposed to a phenomenon that people call day-dreaming, if you can't tell the difference between them, much less tell the difference between a day dream versus a night dream, versus a vision, versus an Astration, versus a, if you can't tell the difference between them, how can you hope to achieve? If you don't learn to pay attention to those differences, then you can't expect Arkashea to teach you how to go to other worlds, It's just not within the order of things. There's a recipe that you have to follow. You have to know yourself, and you have to know the laws of your reality; you just have to. You have to bear in mind that thus far you've been listening, since you've been here, to conversations between the rest of the group, and they've been using various terms such as reality, alter-realities, this reality, that reality, this phenomenon, and all kind of different terms like that, and to you, thus far, all of this nomenclature has been a nebulous nothing. What you need to do is to take all of these terms and give them a relevant definition. Then you'll be able to manipulate your data and therefore come to understand the differences between a day dream, and a day reality. In short, the reason why you're often confused right now is because you don't have the power of language. Okay? Remember your task is to determine the difference between what your eyes see, what your mind see, what your body feels and apply that to the knowledge and the wisdom that you have.