Arkashean Q&A Session -- 028

THERRY: People have a tendency when they get a teacher and that teacher via his actions and via time has proven that he does indeed have the right stuff, so to speak. People have a tendency to stop thinking for themselves. They have a tendency to take the attitude, 'well, why should I do this when all I have to do is go ask him?' And, as a result, they stop doing for themselves. And because the teacher is constantly right all the time, well, more and more and more they do less and less and less for themselves and first thing you know the teacher says 'shit', and very quickly they'll be asking 'where' and 'how far.' (laughter) You know? It gets a little much. The law is, regardless of how valid your teacher is, never deify your teacher. If there is deification involved, deify the wisdom, not the teacher. Simply honor the teacher, the same as you would honor any other human being, but never deify him.

TINA: So, am I deifying you by saying, by assuming that-see, I didn't think that I was deifying you...

THERRY: Well, it's not what you were saying, it's...

TINA: The language.

THERRY: Yeah, the emotions. It's almost as though I expected you to genuflect when I walked into the room. (laughter) You know? (THERRY laughing) It's a little much. Believe me, I'm not God.

JULIE: Genny-flekt?

JENA: Genuflect.

JULIE: Oh, I never heard of that word.

JENA: That's when you cross yourself.

THERRY: What did you say that was?

JENA: I said 'genuflect.'

THERRY: Yeah, what did you say the definition was?

JENA: This.

THERRY: No, that's the sign-that's 'cross yourself'.

JENA: Isn't that genuflect-

THERRY: No. Genuflect is this. You bend on 1 knee.

JENA: Right. Oh, yeah.

THERRY: With bowed head and all that. Like that.

In short, regardless of how good your teacher has proven himself to be, you must always keep a very healthy skepticism. Never accept anything just because your teacher said it.

TINA: So what's the difference between being skeptical or maintaining skepticism and challenging what your teacher says?

THERRY: Ok. I think there is another way of saying the same thing. There is another way of saying this. The law is always, always, question that which you do not understand, but never impugn. You see, that's a law.

TINA: Yeah. What does that mean?

THERRY: You-are you familiar with the word 'impugn?'

TINA: Ahhhh...a judge?

THERRY: Ok. Let's stop this and let's look up in the dictionary. (laughter) (tape stopped momentarily, and then turned back on) Ok.

TINA: Impugn means to oppose or attack as faults, especially to criticize or refute by argumentation. That's it.

THERRY: Right. In other words, an example of an impugn is you say, 'the world is round, square, and flat.'

TINA: Uh-huh.

THERRY: And you will turn around and say, 'what the hell are you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about. The world isn't either any of those things. As a matter of fact, the world is an apple, an orange and it's pink. That's impugning because what's happening is that you're not accepting the data, you're denying the data, first of all, and, then you leave the process of denying the data and then you go to war with the teacher. That's impugning.

TINA: So. A better way to question would be to say, I don't understand how you got to those conclusions...


TINA: ...please explain it. If you don't understand those-that explanation...

THERRY: Then you keep asking for more information.


THERRY: Now, what she was talking about was the devil's advocate.

JENA: Right. I thought when...

THERRY: That's when you don't disbelieve, not really, and you don't fully understand, so you ask questions based upon a 'what-if it was not that way?'

TINA: MM-hmm.

THERRY: It's a sort of a way of saying 'prove it.'

TINA: MM-hmm.

THERRY: But, it's a negative way of gaining information.

TINA: Yeah.

THERRY: Many people use it. Many people. But it is a negative way of gaining information.

TINA: Ohhhh.

JENA: To be devil's advocate?


JENA: Sometimes I'm never sure if that's what I'm doing, because I do have that tendency. Just in my day-to-day dealing with-

THERRY: Well, that would-

JENA: -I'm never sure if that's what I'm doing with you, or-

THERRY: With you it would come naturally because basically what you're really saying is 'prove that you love me.'


JENA: Nooo-


JENA: Really?

THERRY: Mm-hmm.

JENA: It's not just prove that you're saying it to see if you love me?

THERRY: Yeah. It's 'prove that you're worthy.'

JENA: But why would that mean to me that you love me?

THERRY: If you can carry a conversation through war, and still end up friends, then they cared enough.

JENA: Oh, I see.

THERRY: If they just dismiss you and dismiss the conversation-

JENA: Right, oh I see.

THERRY: They didn't care enough.

JENA: It's like a test.

THERRY: Right.

JENA: It's just like a little test.

THERRY: Right.

THERRY: Does that address your concern?

JENA: Mm-hmm.

JULIE: What was the initial question you asked?

THERRY: The initial question is how do you deal with deifying something? Or something that was deified.

JULIE: I know that when I first met you, for me that was the same thing, I'm not sure-

THERRY: Most people do.

JULIE: -but immediately I felt I was in the presence, how do I word that? (laughter) Of something-

THERRY: In the presence of greatness. (laughter)

JULIE: Something's definitely greater, some kind of wisdom I have not experienced on this earth.

THERRY: Yeah. Many people go through that.

JULIE: Yeah, so-

THERRY: But the key is it's not me.

JULIE: Oh, oh, I see.

TINA: Not you?

THERRY: It's not me.

TINA: Ok. Who is it then?

THERRY: It's the father within.


THERRY: It's the energy. It's not me. I'm just a peon.

DORIS: So you can't say that you and the father aren't the same?

THERRY: No, I can't. Because it's not true. (laughter)

LAUREN: It seems that more and more a person gets connected to the universe, they realize more and more that just about anything that happens to them is from the universe.


LAUREN: In that the sense that any kind of gift, any kind of ability, anything is something that is coming through.


LAUREN: As opposed to a-it's as if you lose ego, or excessive ego more and more.

THERRY: That is correct. See, it's not me. Anything that I do or am belongs to the specie man. It doesn't belong to me.

TINA: When we get special effects in dreams, it's not you, it's through you.

THERRY: Right.

JENA: Reminds me of a joke. I'll make it short, I usually make it long and drag it out, but apparently this guy goes through this big horrendous trek for years looking for this wise man who, you know, he's heard has the meaning of life. So, finally he to this man-he's up on a mountain, and almost dying after his years of searching and he asks the man, 'what is the meaning of life?' And the old man says to him, 'life is a Popsicle

THERRY: So absolutely everything has to get back to the situation in order to find what is appropriate and what is not. And it is that that you need to get a hold of in order to train your emotions. Specifically, the Continuum of Expectations and Demands.

JENA: So my sensitivity, so to speak, isn't sensitivity at all.

THERRY: It's selfishness.

JENA: Yeah.

THERRY: It's pure selfishness all the way across the board. Again, you have to bear in mind too-

JENA: Selfish, not in the negative sense--

THERRY: Anything that causes you pain is negative. But you have to bear in mind too, that according to Universal Law, each individual must walk the Road of Self if he is to find the Road of Unity.

JENA: Is that what this is?

THERRY: Yes. You're walking the Road to Self, and boy, are you walking the Road to Self. (laughter) To such a degree that it's interfering-

JENA: Walking the Road to Self, that means realizing your autonomy?

THERRY: No, it means you're self-orientated.

JENA: I'm self-?

THERRY: Orientated.

JULIE: Oh, and you have to walk that?


JENA: But am I aiming towards anything, which is dealing with my autonomy-

THERRY: Right. You're learning. Remember, the whole specie is just a little baby. So you can't expect the adults of that specie to be any more grown up than the specie is. And the specie is just a baby, therefore it is self-orientated. We are in the age of self-consciousness, so there will be the extremely, extremely developed individuals who is not selfish in different ways.

JENA: There will be the extremely developed individuals?

THERRY: I said extremely developed individuals-

JENA: Hmmm.

THERRY: -who is not selfish. Because this is the age of self-consciousness. The specie is in the age where it is recognizing the existence of itself and its place within universal life-forms. So, every individual is going to be basically selfish. Part of growth is whereby each individual rises above and beyond the pure selfishness that exists. What is the relationship between the age of self-consciousness and extremely developed individuals-does that refer to a teacher or humans who are precocious? What is the Road to Unity, and how does it apply to universal life-forms?)

JENA: Which you can't do until you've taken that to the max?

THERRY: That is correct.

JENA: Then you realize 'that's not right.'

THERRY: You cannot change what you see no need to change.

JENA: Right.

THERRY: And the experience of the inappropriateness of pain is what serves as the impetus for change. In short, that translates into a small, little phrase-when the pain gets big enough, you'll change.

JENA: Hmmm.

TINA: But you have to figure out the source of your pain, first, though?

THERRY: Yes. Gotta make sure you that don't kill your dog because your cat ate the canary.

TINA: That's kind of a hard thing, though-finding out the source.

THERRY: Nobody said it would be easy.

TINA: Hmm. Because in what you're telling her, she's going to have to figure out the-

THERRY: She already knows what the source is.

TINA: Yeah.

THERRY: But, again, it reminds me of another phrase-just because you have a brain doesn't mean that you're gonna' use it.

JENA: Yeah, well, that's true. But I don't understand exactly how I got to the (something) state, logically. I've just been busy thinking everybody else is wrong. Everybody else needs to change. (laughter)

THERRY: That's the God complex. And that's an effect of you not recognizing the Uniqueness. You have to bear in mind that the affairs of man, the specie, is like a fabric. Everything works together. And if one thread of the fabric is inappropriately used then the whole fabric is distorted. So if you inappropriately deny the existence or the validity of the Uniqueness factor of the individual, then the whole dream quality's going to be inappropriate. It's going to cause you mutual problems. See, the Uniqueness quality is modified by the need to become one-which is again the pair, is modified by the various games that we play. But if you, it's sort of like, um, trying to play a game where the most important rule is missing. The game's going to be convoluted. It's not going to work very well.

JENA: I tend to find myself along with getting my feelings hurt, I tend to set myself up almost from the beginning-

THERRY: Of course-always, always, constantly. Because you are still testing your autonomy. You will consistently continue to test until finally the pain will get big enough and you'll decide-'hey, there's got to be a better way.'

JENA: I think I need to figure out from the get-go don't even put myself in that situation-

THERRY: See, you're not going to be able to do anything at all until you first address the Uniqueness and it's necessity.

JULIE: Until she?

THERRY: Until she addresses the Uniqueness and its necessity. The Law governing the Uniqueness-

JENA: The first is stop being hurt by things that are happening-

THERRY: No, that's going to be a waste of time. You're not going to be able to do it.

JENA: What should I do?

THERRY: You just have to address the validity of Uniqueness and what that means.

JENA: That doesn't mean stop getting upset because people aren't doing things my way.

THERRY: Well, that's only a second generation thing. The first generation is to recognize that people are not yours. They didn't come to this planet, or they didn't experience life just to please you.

JENA: Well, I feel like I know that.

THERRY: Yeah, sure. (Jena laughs) Even when you say that, even when you don't say it I still hear the but...(laughter)

JENA: Well, I was obviously going to say 'but I don't believe it.' (laughter) But, logically I know that, I know the whole world isn't here for me, you know, logically I know that that isn't true.

THERRY: So in short, what you need to do is get your army together-put them all under one commander. If you know it logically and you can't accept it emotionally, that means the emotional aspect of you army is off on its own.

JENA: So, what can I do?

THERRY: Bring it back under control. And the only way you can do that is to change your attitudes concerning Uniqueness.

JENA: Right, doesn't that mean I have to stop myself every time I find myself getting upset-

THERRY: Right-

JENA: -so I just stop and say-

THERRY: You're doing something wrong. Not 'they're doing something wrong', you're doing something wrong.

JENA: Right.

JULIE: The only thing that confused me about all this is I thought the, our object was to become more given to serve the All- so I don't quite understand-so we should be independent.

THERRY: Yeah, you have no choice, you have to be independent. You can serve the All until you yourself are together. You can't give to another or sell to another that which is not yours. The life force was given to you to experience and it is you choice to take up whatever energies you have, and whatever values you have to either serve the Holy Path or to serve the Unholy Path. That's your choice. But you can't make that decision and serve anybody but yourself until you know who you are.

JULIE: So, then there's a period where you must be self-involved-

THERRY: You have no choice.

JULIE: You have no choice?

THERRY: You have no choice. There is nothing else. You have to gather self and solidify the I.D. Once the-your own image of self and your own place in the Universe with respect to the rest of the species, once that is solidified, and you are comfortable with who you are, then and only then are you qualified to make the decision as to what you're going to do with your life. Up until that point, you don't have a life. All you have are battles.

JENA: Is that what you meant when you said you're not going to fix it until you know it's broken?

THERRY: Right. If it's not broken, don't fix it. Leave it alone. Chances are, 99 percent of the time if you come across an error the first place you should look is your language. And 99 percent of the time you'll find the problem right there-you're language is not right. Remember, language gets its power not because it is the tool that is used to communicate to others, true, that is very important. But that's not where the power of language comes from. The power of language comes from because it is the only tool that's-that's important enough to be repeated-it is the ONLY tool that you use to communicate to yourself. What you communicate to yourself with is what's going to create your illusions, and illusions are the driving force for reality.

JENA: Does that make sense?

JULIE: Yeah, that's very interesting. Because all I've been walking around thinking is that it's selfish to be in any way self-involved. The idea is to break that-

THERRY: Selfishness in moderation is not negative. It's a very positive thing. Charity begins at home. If you wish to be kind to others you have to begin by being kind to yourself. Look at it like a wire , little bb's that are loaded into a tube. Well, once that tube is filled, you're not going to be able to let any more bb's into that tube until you let some of them out. Emotions and interactions are that way, if you expect love you have to give love to others in order to have new bb's of love to come in.

JENA: Oh, I see.

THERRY: Whatever you give to others is going to come back around sooner or later and it's going to be at the other end of that tube and you're going to experience it. If you give hate and suspicion, that's what you're going to receive-hate and suspicion. If you give love, then that's what you're going to receive-love. If you give understanding and tolerance, that's what you're going to receive. You create your future by the things that you do, by the attitudes that you live by today.

JENA: I get upset about stupid things. Like last night, when we were doing the dishes, I finished washing, then I started to wipe the counter, Susan says no, we don't use that sponge, we use this sponge, and I thought, what's the difference.

THERRY: Yeah, but, see-

JENA: I thought-who cares-

THERRY: Yeah, from you-who cares. Now you're dealing with limitations again. Somebody else's limitation, their process, so you became irritated simply because you wanted the universe here to be the same as yours.

JENA: You know I go this whole thing of 'oh, that's so stupid', even little things like that are constantly doing that to me.

THERRY: But there is reasons, if you want to go into it. There are always reasons why people's universes are different.

JENA: What do you mean there's reasons?

THERRY: Well, for instance, let's take the sponge situation. The sponge that you use to wash your dishes should not be used to wipe your counters, your refrigerator, and your floors-

JENA: Well, not the floors-

THERRY: Why not the floors?

JENA: Because they're dirty.

THERRY: Why? It's soap and water, what's the difference?

JENA: Because it'll stay on the sponge.

THERRY: OH. Well, why can't it stay on the sponge from the counters and refrigerators?

JENA: Because it's not as dirty.

THERRY: Why? Oh, you mean it has to be a special type of dirt before it's ok for you?

JENA: No, it's a special degree of dirt.

THERRY: Oh. (laughter) And who's going to determine where that line is?

JENA: Right. Well, that's what it comes down to.

THERRY: Point well-chosen?

JENA: No, I understand exactly why I got annoyed-

THERRY: So, it is a valid situation, but the difference here is you're fighting limitations. It's back to what we said earlier.

JENA: Right-why should I care if you want to use a certain sponge? I took it as a total annoyance, I was doing something wrong. I was told to not do something-

THERRY: Right, that's the key.

JENA: -that I think is logical.

THERRY: So, you were playing God again.

JENA: Right. I do it all the time, it drives me crazy.

THERRY: Well, you must like it.

JENA: I'm going to have to catch myself constantly, all day long.

THERRY: So what?

JENA: Even in my thoughts.

THERRY: So what?

JENA: There's another thing I do with people. A lot of times when I first meet people it's like instantly I know I'm either going to like this person or not. Is that the same thing? I shouldn't make judgments like that?

THERRY: Well, in the English language there's another word for that.

JENA: What?

THERRY: Prejudice.

JENA: Nooo, it's not.

THERRY: Why not? What's the definition of prejudice?

JENA: Oh, ok. I'm thinking of racial prejudice. Ok. Yeah, well it is prejudice, but-

THERRY: Buts again. (laughter)

JENA: But sometimes it seems accurate. Sure enough I realize it turns out this is someone I don't want to spend my time with.

THERRY: Uh-huh.

JENA: And when I like someone it turns out that I really do like this person, and get along well.

THERRY: Uh-huh. Do you think that maybe you follow your own biases? Do you think it's possible that some of the people that you don't like is simply because you never really gave them a chance- you've already predetermined, and therefore, you would not give the same opportunity?

JENA: No, it's not 100 percent accurate. There are some people I don't like at first, then as I get to know them I like them.


JENA: So it's not right all the time, but it's right the majority of the time.

THERRY: Oh, ok.

JENA: That's not a good thing to do either, though?

THERRY: Well, that's for you to decide. It's your life.

JENA: What I'm saying-is that the same thing-

THERRY: But I think it's a shame-

JENA: It's still a part of the same game-

THERRY: Yes it is. I think it's a shame to meet somebody and put them in an enemy camp when it could have been put in a friendship camp.

JENA: Oh. It's that fear thing again.

THERRY: Yes. Perhaps that individual won't accept you, so therefore he's no good.

JENA: Nooo-

THERRY: He's a no-goodnic, we'll put him in the enemy camp.

JENA: Nooo..

THERRY: Because I love him, and he ain't gonna' love me back. Alright for you, I'm gonna' hurt myself, then you'll be sorry.

JENA: So, in any situation where it's appropriate to make a decision almost immediately like that?

THERRY: Sure, there are hundreds of thousands of situations where you have to make split-second decisions, but meeting strangers is not one of them.

JENA: So I shouldn't go overboard with that either?

THERRY: You shouldn't go overboard with anything. Again, don't' expect that just because we sit and talk about psychic phenomena, and the interflow of energies and illusions, don't get to think that that is suddenly going to make a new woman out of you. Hey, it took you who knows how many years to get you the way you are, it ain't gonna' change overnight.

JENA: No, no, I know. The reason I was asking was to know what main areas I should stop doing that.

THERRY: Well, it's simple. Stop doing the things that cause you pain. Of course, you can be funny on that, too. Oops, I stepped on a nail, oh pain-that means I got to stop walking. (laughter)

JENA: Yeah, I do that too-

THERRY: Oooo a cough-that hurts, that means I got to stop breathing. (laughter) The key is moderation to everything. Does that do it?

JENA: Yeah. It's kind of what I thought you meant. What she had thought the other was she was saying no he was saying no you shouldn't be autonomous. We didn't understand which it was.

JULIE: Yeah, because I obviously mixed up, I misconstrued, that you mean dependent was being selfish-it was not thinking about people. That's how I looked at the word, and hence-

THERRY: Well, ok. There is a part of that, except that that's an overboard view. There's a fine line between mutual satisfaction of needs and slavery.


JENA: Between mutual satisfaction and slavery? What does that refer to?

THERRY: It refers to you not being selfish by doing things for others as opposed to you being on a cross where everything you do is for others, and I don't exist any more.

JENA: Ohh.

THERRY: There's a fine line there. I mean when you do things for other people, that comes under mutual satisfaction of needs where each share and each get something out of the interaction. Slavery, on the other hand, is where the-you have an exaggerated expectations and demands, and the other person just has no rights to Uniqueness. Does that worry you? There's a Twilight episode, Twilight Zone?

JENA: Yeah.

THERRY: There's an episode about death that deals with that. Where the child suddenly gains new powers and is forcing everybody to-

JENA: Oh yeah-I saw that one, Billy Monday-

THERRY: Well, you have a way of trying to be Billy Monday.

JENA: Oh! But I'm not evil about it. Except to myself. (laughter) I'm not doing myself a whole lot of good, that's for sure.

THERRY: Right. That's where your pain comes from.

TINA: What did you mean earlier when you said she needs to understand the Claim to Uniqueness? In the (something) scenario earlier?

THERRY: It simply means that she is a member of the specie man-

TINA: Yeah.

THERRY: She came to Earth to experience life. The life that she received and the games that she chose to play are hers. Another member of the specie did the exact same thing, and have the exact same rights. And each individual is unique unto their own, their self-government, they're self-sustained. In short, if I pinch myself, you're not the one who's going to feel the hurt. I am, because there's a barrier there that keeps us separated. And it doesn't matter what we do, that barrier will never be crossed. That barrier is there because of the Law of the Claim to Uniqueness. There can never be 2 exactly the same.

TINA: But within that there comes the assumption that people have to take responsibility for their own actions.

THERRY: Exactly. People have to take responsibility for their own actions, not for the actions of somebody else. So, therefore, if you demand that other people satisfy you because of your wants, that's slavery. That's no longer mutual satisfaction of needs.

JULIE: I need homework. I feel that I need homework. With the situation of being married, having the baby, and this-what can I work on? What am I supposed to learn?

THERRY: You're already doing it.

JULIE: I'm doing it?

THERRY: You're already doing it. You do it naturally.

JULIE: I do it naturally?

THERRY: Yeah. You already have the gift of walking the Holy Path. It comes natural to you.

JULIE: Then what I have to get rid of this-this punitive-

THERRY: The Cross Syndrome-

JULIE: Cause' see, I gotta ask for one more because obviously I'm a shit-

THERRY: Right-

JULIE: -and I don't feel anything for anybody-

THERRY: Right. Yes.

JULIE: That's what I have to lose.

THERRY: See, what you need to do is borrow my ladder. (laughter) You know what that's all about?

JULIE: Yeah, that's the funniest line I ever heard.

JENA: I'd like this one to read between the lines.

THERRY: Say it for the tape. Borrow my ladder.

JULIE: Borrow my ladder. You're going to need help climbing up on that cross. (laughter) That's funny.

THERRY: Makes it easier to climb up there.

JULIE: Alright, I got a lot of that guilt stuff to work on.

THERRY: Right.

JULIE: You know, the other question I have, I know you do this too, um, but maybe for different reasons. I spent an enormous percent of my time with in fantasy-

JENA: Oh, yeah.

THERRY: There's nothing wrong with that.

JULIE: But, it's just an enormous amount of time. And the fantasy's all very peaceful, and they're usually in England, walking down a little-I mean maybe they're other centuries-they seem to be-

THERRY: There's nothing wrong with that.

JULIE: There's nothing wrong with it?

THERRY: Nothing wrong with that.

JULIE: Maybe it was the amount of I wondered about. I thought, 'oh boy, you really want to escape.'

THERRY: That don't mean a darn thing. The only thing that the time when it becomes not functional, then you have nothing to worry about.

JENA: Because it's affecting your life?

THERRY: Right.


THERRY: It's not surprising that your fantasies, many of them take place in England area.

JULIE: I think I must've been there-


JULIE: -because I had a great- but I must have been there in a nice time.

THERRY: You were there in both nice times and bad times.

JULIE: Both? Well, that makes a lot of sense to me.

JENA: So what about fantasizing all the time?

THERRY: No. There's nothing wrong with-

JENA: As soon as I'm not doing something, it leaves my attention-

THERRY: There's nothing wrong with fantasy.

JENA: It's like I'm playing a soap opera back in my head.

THERRY: Exactly. That's all it is. You play with better illusions. You play little 'what-if' games. So long as that it remains within the borders where it does not interfere with your everyday natural life and so long as it does not interfere with you achieving a degree of satisfaction in life, then everything's fine.

JENA: That doesn't mean I should spend that much time to think about it though-

THERRY: As a matter of fact you can use that fantasy. You can use that fantasy, that fantasizing to a very big advantage. Especially, you being a writer.

JULIE: I know.

THERRY: You can use it-

JULIE: Yeah, I wanted to ask one more thing. I'm like the worst with writer's block. I get stuck, I get stuck, this brooding stuck-

THERRY: You know why?

JULIE: No, I don't.

THERRY: Because you're fighting it rather than letting it come. Use your fantasies. Take advantage of them.

JULIE: Fighting your fantasies.

THERRY: Use your fantasies. That will destroy the, uh-

JULIE: But when I write, when it's another kind of writing, like a comic review, or a play-

THERRY: Use your fantasies.

JULIE: Use them anyway.

THERRY: Sure. Inject your, inject the thing that you're writing into your fantasies and watch the interaction of the people. Use it, use it to your advantage.


THERRY: Because you have a beautiful sense of the comic...It's possible. It's possible that you-

JENA: But the only reason I would drink or take drugs is to escape from facing other things.

THERRY: Yes. It's possible. But it's also a release valve for you. If you didn't have that fantasizing release valve, who knows what would happen?

JENA: I'd be a total alcoholic, probably.

THERRY: Either that or you'd be in the booby farm. So there's some, there are some good aspects to it, it's simply a case of learning to use it to you best advantage.

JENA: Don't worry about it then?

THERRY: No. Never worry. Worrying is always a waste of time.

JENA: I worry about everything. I even worry about not having anything to worry about. (laughter)

THERRY: The last thing you need is to bring any more guilt, and that's what worrying does. That just creates guilt. It's the most useless game in the Universe.

JENA: So I shouldn't try to curb it then, or-

THERRY: Well, only you have to determine that. Again, I would make the best use of it. But then only you can determine what that's going to be.

JENA: If I'm feeling like it's a form of procrastination, that means it probably it?


JENA: Oh, alright. Ok.

THERRY: You can lie to everybody, but you can't lie to yourself. Not really. Because there's always a level of you who know.

JENA: Do you feel that, that you're fantasizing all the time as a way of avoiding facing things?

JULIE: I...I think I look at is as more an escape. A legion of superheroes, and now it's predominantly England because we were there recently. But it makes me so happy I don't even worry about it other than if I'm avoiding my spiritual lessons but, I was concerned about that-if I was using it as some kind of bullshit, you know. But no, I want to say that it's great to be in them. I enjoy them very much; it's a very nice movie.

THERRY: But the thing is, exactly, that's what I mean-it's a movie.

JULIE: That what it feels like.

THERRY: That's all it is, it's an escape.

JULIE: And it is like writing-because it's like I'm producing, I'll come back the next night, and say where was I, what chapter am I on?

THERRY: So the thing to do is use that. Write about it. When you have them, when you experience, write about them and you'll experience right there as you're writing. You would be surprised how much of a prolific writer you could become by doing that. That's what, what's her name-she put out book after book after book.