Arkashean Q&A Session -- 029

MEGAN: Therry, I was wondering if I could get an explanation of BaKa.

THERRY: Okay. That's pronounced Ba Ka (accent on Ba). If we figure, obviously there are nine levels, but the BaKa is only the third level. We have the Ka, which is the physical level. We have the Ba, which is the next level up which survives the death process. Then you have the BaKa, which is the physical vehicle of third level. That's it.

MEGAN: But do they repeat through the nine levels?

THERRY: Well, all nine levels have a different one. It becomes very confusing because as you reincarnate, they shift. Like this is the physical Ka. Now when you go through the Death Process, then the Ba will be the Ka of that level. So, each level up, like the BaKa, that name is reference from this level, but up there, it is the Ka of its level.

MEGAN: Okay. So, they are constantly moving...

THERRY: So, it's a pattern. Reference from any one level, on that level, it is called a Ka. From that level, the next level up is called a Ba. And the third level is called the BaKa.

MEGAN: So, just to get it straight as far as...Ka is the physical vehicle.

THERRY: Yes. From the level that you are on.

MEGAN: And Ba would be considered the essence of the person?

THERRY: No, it's the vehicle of the next level up. But that becomes important because the Ba is what survives the death process. The Ka of this level is discarded. It returns to the dust from which is came. And you transfer your awareness to the Ba. And you go through the process of reincarnation....which is guided by the BaKa's readings of your Karma.

MEGAN: Okay, I guess it was a mistake because I always thought Ba was more the soul as what we call it in Christianity.

THERRY: No. It's just another vehicle.

MEGAN: Okay. I didn't know. I guess I will have to reread that...And BaKa is also another vehicle?

THERRY: Yes. It's important in order to understand Astration and projection. There's a seeming continuity even though you shift bodies.

MEGAN: So, it is labeled so you have an understanding of where you are moving through.


MEGAN: Basically, if you look at the whole scenario, it is a box within a box?


MEGAN: I have been reading The Discovery over and taking most of my questions from there because I find that there is a lot in there that I wasn't even really understanding fully. It's been beneficial for me. In the early part of the book, Susan writes something about LightWorker. And it says, if the person returns to Earth, after he has learned greater wisdom, he could help others free themselves by acting as an unseen steering current for the individual he was trying to help.

THERRY: Yes. An Other-World Teacher.

MEGAN: Okay, so that's what that is? By implanting ideas into an individual's mind?

THERRY: Yes. Communications.

MEGAN: So, the only way an individual could be helped to free himself is by having his LightWorker. or his Other-World Teacher?

THERRY: Correct.

MEGAN: Direct the individual's Life Force in the proper direction.

THERRY: Right. But see, the lightworkers cannot override your free-will. So, the only way they have is to talk to you on another level and have that trickle down and then you decide.

MEGAN: Oh! So, initially there is on the part of the student to want to learn or change and then the Other-World Teacher or LightWorker. could influence that by...

THERRY: ...telling them how to change.

MEGAN: At this level?

THERRY: No, it depends on how and where you meet your LightWorker.. Your LightWorker. can be on this level. They can come in the guise of a friend or a stranger. But it can also come in the dream states. Also, the light worker can be talking to your BaKa. And the BaKa will talk to your Ba. And then the Ba will talk to your Ka.

MEGAN: So, then are you saying that an individual can have several lightworkers?


MEGAN: Makes sense.

THERRY: There are a lot of them floating around.

MEGAN: But does an individual have to be wanting one?

THERRY: No. They just accept it or not.

MEGAN: So, I could label you a LightWorker. as well?


MEGAN: I was wondering about Arkashea itself. Would you label Arkashea a belief system or a way of life? Or both?

THERRY: A way of life.

MEGAN: Okay. Because I know it is not a religion and you wouldn't say a belief system either? That's incorporated within it?

THERRY: It's a way of life. In terms of the belief system, it is archaic because it doesn't matter who you were or where you are, you have a belief system.

MEGAN: That you bring to it? Your personal one?

THERRY: It's got nothing to do with bringing it anyplace. You have a belief system. It is just automatic.

MEGAN: Yeah, but are you saying it is formed by being with Arkashea?

THERRY: No. You grew up with it. You obtained it as you grew up.

MEGAN: So, could I say that Arkashea is a way of life and a body of teachings?

THERRY: No, just a way of life. This is where you become a student of yourself. To learn the laws of your illusion.

MEGAN: I had a question about patterns and how laws relate to patterns--the Universal laws.

THERRY: The laws are there and unchanging regardless of if you interact with them or not. But there are similarities because of repeating patterns. It is a case of relationships and their behaviors and limitations.

MEGAN: So, patterns are formed from law?

THERRY: No. Patterns ain't formed. You deduce patterns as a way of understanding things.

MEGAN: Oh, okay. From observing behaviors or....

THERRY: It's a certain cause and effect relationship that you form. It's all based on your level of observation and how you treat any wisdom that you gain. For instance, if on day 1, you stub your toe because you hit it on a rock and then day 2 comes and you do the exact same thing, and day 3, you come and do the exact same thing, you can say that you have a pattern. It is something that YOU recognize.

MEGAN: But there are patterns that are recognizable to many people, right? Umbrella-type patterns? I'm thinking in more of behavioral terms, but I guess these are all behaviors that you are speaking of.

THERRY: Yeah. And laws will govern regardless if you recognize the pattern or not. So, patterns are simply a tool for people's understanding. They don't affect the law at all.

MEGAN: But by understanding patterns, that helps you understand law more fully, correct?


MEGAN: Are there other ways to understand law or is it through patterns?

THERRY: Through patterns.

MEGAN: I was talking...

THERRY: See, patterns are nothing more than recognizing relationships.

MEGAN: Uh-huh. I also realized that you can intercede, it seems, in a pattern and then change it.

THERRY: You can't change a pattern, but you can change your mind about what is a pattern.

MEGAN: What about the one you used about stubbing your toe and coming back and hitting the rock each time and stubbing it. What if you said next time, ' I am going to avoid that stone.' That's a whole new pattern, is it not?

THERRY: No, because the pattern has nothing to do with you hitting the stone. The pattern has to do with a sequential set of events that you recognize.

MEGAN: I guess I am a little confused. You mean, if I come and walk toward the stone..

THERRY: and pay no attention to it and don't care where your feet are, you are going to hit the stone. And if you keep doing the exact same thing, while it is a set of sequential things that you recognize, it's got nothing to do with the fact that you are walking, it's got nothing to do with the fact that you don't look at your feet, it's got nothing to with the fact that you don't know where the hell you are going... It's everything together as a set of sequences.

MEGAN: Okay, and then patterns can't be changed...

THERRY: A pattern is nothing more than the recognition of cause and effect.

MEGAN: Okay. It must be that patterns are unlimited.

THERRY: Yeah. They only depend on your ability to see and to conceptualize and to understand.

MEGAN: I was speaking with E'ebar on a walk yesterday we were taking and we were asking ourselves about law. Have all the laws been created or will there be more down the line?

THERRY: They are all in operation. We just haven't come to understand them all.

MEGAN: So, they are all in existence. There will never be add-ons or amendments, so to speak?


MEGAN: Is it possible that there is ever any politics involved with law?

THERRY: Politics only exist when you are talking about MindForce. Law is not controlled by MindForce. Law is nothing more than a series of conditions of cause and effect. There is no MindForce at all.

MEGAN: And the Laws of Creation have always been and always will be?


MEGAN: I wondered how, I was having a little trouble with the idea of if we are all governed by the specific set of laws, which we are, the whole story in The Discovery that we, the Essenes are part of, and that Akhenaten was the first person to bring the New Covenant back to this level. Why was it so important that one God be emphasized? I mean, was it because it actually meant that we are one force...?

THERRY: Because that was his belief system. By definition of what God is, if God is God, then he is everybody's God, regardless if you believe in it or not.

MEGAN: So, Akhenaten wasn't adhering to the concept at the time that there were all different gods?

THERRY: No. Because if God is God, he condemns no one. Doesn't matter what his deeds are or what

his heart is. If God is God, his sun is going to shine on everybody equally. The rain is going to fall on everybody equally. I mean, it's not going to turn around and have a special favor. Whatever wisdom a person has is going to depend solely upon their level of understanding. It is not going to have anything to do with a favor or a Supreme Being.

MEGAN: So, you're saying that God is equally accessible...

THERRY: If God is God, then it's going to be everybody's God.

MEGAN: Right. I see the significance.

THERRY: People who go out and walk about, the ground is not going to suddenly pull away from them because it refuses to be touched by them. That's not the way creation works.

MEGAN: So, that symbol of God being the corona or the Aten, that's like shining on all...

THERRY: Yeah, shining on all. Well, see, the difference there is that the AmenRa-ites believed in a God that was hidden, private, a secret and only the priesthood and Pharaoh were allowed to have any communication. Well, that put a middle man in there. That means that the priest is the middle man between the commoners and God and if God is God, He doesn't need an agent. If He created all that is, He doesn't need an agent to talk to the people. He can talk to them directly if He wanted to or vice versa. That goes back to God is everybody's God. There are no special emissaries. Whereas, Akhenaten, his symbol was the corona of the sun which means everybody can see and it shines on everybody equally according to their own capabilities.

MEGAN: So, to this day, of course, there are still a lot of those intermediaries in a lot of religions.

THERRY: They place themselves there.

MEGAN: Right. Well, that clears that up and I understand that a lot better. On page 25, you're speaking in a session about The Hierarchy and it sounds like the same definition as the Brothers of the Chain. Is that the same?


MEGAN: Being among the people of the Earth but not of the people of the Earth...trying to aid the residents... Okay. It says also that The Hierarchy has the ability to move out of their earthly bodies to move through time, to other levels of awareness and dimensions.

THERRY: Astration and projection.

MEGAN: Okay. What is a dimension versus a level?

THERRY: The easiest way to understand that is again, it goes back to the bubble within the bubble within the bubble. Well, let's say you have the bubble where, like in our case, everything is carbon -based--doesn't matter where you go in this dimension, it is still going to be carbon -based. But there is another bubble where it is not necessarily carbon -based. It could be silicon-based and everything that exists, will be silicon-based. While all the other elements may be there, the base will be silicon. Like in us and all the other elements here, we are still carbon-based.

MEGAN: Okay, then I can define a dimension as a base.

THERRY: Now, it terms of levels or planes, it's just divisions within...

MEGAN: the carbon or whichever dimension.

THERRY: The divisions of a dimension is universe. See, a dimension is divided up into all the different bubbles which are called universes. Like our universe is carbon-based. Then the universe is divided up into galaxies. Galaxies are divided up into star systems. Star systems are divided up into solar systems. Solar systems are divided up into planetary systems. Still, just a bubble within a bubble....

MEGAN: Can an entity who is within this huge bubble of carbon, can they travel to a silicon universe and exist?

THERRY: No, they can't exist there. It's like taking a fish out of water and expecting it to survive.

MEGAN: Yeah, that makes sense. Well, this is kind of an offshoot, but I have always wondered about what science calls a fourth dimension. I know three dimensional, but what is the fourth dimension?


MEGAN: It is time or in time?

THERRY: Time. The fourth dimension is Time. The fifth dimension is Mind.

MEGAN: Is there more than five?

THERRY: There's nine.

MEGAN: Do they have any significance at this level?

THERRY: No, it's moot.

MEGAN: Yeah, it almost seems too much to fathom. If a person becomes unconscious on this level, where are they?

THERRY: On another level.

MEGAN: They transferred their awareness to another level?

THERRY: Or some circumstances did it for them.

MEGAN: So, they are conscious somewhere, but on the level we are perceiving it, they are unconscious.

THERRY: Correct.

MEGAN: Okay. And then in the book, The Discovery, it says, 'The world of the subconscious is the true world of language.'

THERRY: That's the World of Alfa.

MEGAN: Could I have more explanation?

THERRY: It goes back to the nature of the naked man. It goes back to again, bubbles within bubbles within bubbles. and the residents they share space with in that bubble. Now, the nature of the creation, Man, is such that he follows the pattern of duality and Triunity. Now, there's the World of Alfa whereas that bubble only has one resident. Now, that World knows time, but it does not know space. It has no space. Now, it operates under the three measurements of time--

MEGAN: Oh, past, present and future?

THERRY: Yes. But more than that, it has Linear Time, Fabric Time. Now, past, present and future comes from Linear Time. Now, the three points of time that it operates under are Fabric Time, Linear Time and Biological Time. But it has no space. Now, in that World, the seat of language resides. In order to share experiences, it has to go down into the Astral Plane of Common Reality and use the space that's there. In Fabric Time, the bubbles are empty. It is the thought that fills in the bubbles with an illusion to be experienced. But in Linear Time, the bubbles are already filled in with Common Reality and you use that space to interact with.

MEGAN: And because you say the World of Alfa is really only one person or one entity, and I have always believed and I have read that language is the most important tool we have because we communicate to ourselves, so that's the seat of language which makes sense that it would be within the World of Alfa. The Earth may say that we have 6,000 languages on this planet. We probably have 6 billion, really, because each person has their own, in a sense.

THERRY: Right. The claim to uniqueness has its seed in the World of Alfa.

MEGAN: This World of Alfa is never destroyed, is it?

THERRY: No, it can't be destroyed. Not even the death process destroys it. The death process certainly reduces it or it updates it.

MEGAN: I was wondering if there would be something left of that if the entity was going on....

THERRY: That's where your Tallyman lies. That's where your chakras are. It's the seat of your Karma.

MEGAN: It's a very powerful spot! (Laughter)

THERRY: It's where your values are. That's where your Maat resides. And that's also where your Genesu lies.

MEGAN: Is there any way to, since you say that the World of Alfa has no space per say, there is no way to detect it, so there's no way a Teacher could read it?

THERRY: No, it could be. But it's something different. The thing being, that any resident of any World of Alfa has no space. If they want to have an experience in the physical world, they have to go use a bubble that is already filled. That's why it's called Common Reality. 'Cause any experience can only be experienced through interaction.

MEGAN: Since no one is in a vacuum. Of course, once the resident of the World of Alfa has moved into the Common Reality, they are there....

THERRY: No, the World of Alfa never moves in. Only the illusions move in. You simply use double. The World of Alfa is always the World of Alfa and never goes anyplace else. It is you who fill in a bubble and that's how you interact. You do that through the Emotional Interchange Interface. It's like having a robot that you have descended into and the robot has the experience and you just get feedback from the robot. And that's how you experience things.

MEGAN: You are talking about being the vehicle.

THERRY: Right. It does the feeling, it does the actions, but you do the thinking.

MEGAN: And we do the thinking as part of the World of Alfa?

THERRY: Well, you are the mechanism behind the robot. If the robot sits, it's because you made it sit.

MEGAN: I don't think there is an actual Lexicon entry on World of Alfa, is there?


MEGAN: Well, speaking of illusions which you just mentioned, I made a little diagram on this paper where I thought, ' Our needs are what start the process, then needs create the illusions and illusions create the reality?'

THERRY: No, there's an exchange between needs and illusions. You have to bear in mind the whole thing begins with the interchange between the World of Alfa and the World of Common Reality. When you came to Earth, what you did, the process of being born, is nothing more than the process of descending into your robot. Now, in order for that robot to serve you well, it has certain requirements. These are called needs. Your robot needs to have fuel. Needs to have language. It needs to have the five senses. It needs to learn. It needs to grow. So, those are the needs. There is a hierarchy of needs. Now, everything else is not needs. Things that you have done or do that are habit-forming, become acquired needs, but they are not needs. The definition of needs is something that without them, your robot won't survive. Your robot must have it, otherwise, it will die. It will malfunction. Now, alcohol, drugs and other habit-forming substances will make you seem like you need them, but you don't. They are acquired needs. If you withhold it, your system will clean itself out, you will feel very terrible for a very long time, but you won't die, and therefore, they are not a need. They become an acquired need. So, does that explain it?

MEGAN: Well, yeah, but how does that play into illusions then?

THERRY: Well, obviously, whatever the needs are, they will create illusions which are designed to satisfy the need. Then there's another level of illusion which are based solely and governed solely by the games that you play. Which is a totally different set from what your robot needs.

MEGAN: Okay. I was thinking about the needs of our growth, you know, what you need and what you desire. Those type of needs.

THERRY: But they are not needs. They are either wants or desires or acquired needs, but they are not needs. Those illusions are still based on the needs of the game. That's a different thing. There are certain things that are required if you are going to play certain games. But those are the needs of the game. They are not your needs. You either must satisfy those needs or you don't play those games. For instance, the game of drunkard requires you do a lot of drinking of alcoholic beverages. If you don't fulfill that need, you can't play the game of drunkard. But those needs belong to the game, not to you. Now, you can use your free-will to choose a game, but once you've chosen a game, now it is the rules of the game that govern you. And each game has its own subset of needs. But they are not your needs, although it may seem like it, they are the rules of the game.

MEGAN: But that's all because of the illusions we are under. We think we need them.

THERRY: Exactly.

MEGAN: Okay, but what about those instances when I speak to you and you'll say in Arkashea we work on what we need, not on what we want.

THERRY: Well, it is more than that. We come to Arkashea, those who are in Arkashea become a student of themselves and they go to a special school just like this particular classroom now. That's where you learn the laws. And then you play the game of either applying them or forgetting them completely.

MEGAN: But we descended with certain games we've decided to play, so there are needs within those games.

THERRY: All games have needs. Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.

MEGAN: I still get the impression that when we are students here, we get what we need to learn.

THERRY: Of course, but just because you become Arkashean doesn't stop you from being human.

MEGAN: Oh, no.

THERRY: And as humans, you don't always do what's right. Just because you have a brain, doesn't mean you are going to use it.

MEGAN: No, agreed. I guess I was just wondering if those "needs" are the same as these ones that we just spoke of.

THERRY: That changes depending on the needs of the game.

MEGAN: Okay, they are still linked up to the games, the acquired needs. And okay, does illusion affect reality and reality affect illusion?

THERRY: Correct. Reality spawns various illusions, but illusions are what builds reality, so there's an interchange. It's like a magic circle.

MEGAN: What I wrote down here, the language of this level, for instance, we are speaking English to one another, is this the same language we would use on the other eight levels?

THERRY: Yes. There's a seeming continuity. Now, there's also an interchange up there where it may appear to you that you are using English when , in fact, you are not. But because of continuity, to you, you are speaking English. Somebody else could be speaking another language, but for them, you are speaking their language. It's like talking in pictures. Everybody who looks at the picture gets the same thought, but when they talk it, it's different.

MEGAN: Like it is at the United Nations where they have the headphones on...

THERRY: Except that it's on a higher level.

MEGAN: Um, there's a question I had from The Discovery. I just wanted a little more clarification if you create a crime against another or pain against another...

THERRY: You mean, the law that says you can use the greatness of your heart to forgive...

MEGAN: ...releases you from the situation.

THERRY: It releases you. It doesn't release them.

MEGAN: So, that means, if something happens to me, someone does something against me, I forgive them, that will help the situation? I know Karma doesn't forgive it, but...


MEGAN: ...why is it important that the person forgive another?

THERRY: You're forgiving them, but you are doing it for you, not for them. See, when somebody does something, first of all, there's no guarantee that he really did it. Could be that he is just a pawn that was brought into your interaction by the Affinity Factor to force you to experience something. So, if he is a pawn by the Affinity Factor, then whatever it was that he did, he was not acting out of freewill.

MEGAN: So, he doesn't get Karma for that?

THERRY: No, he doesn't get any Karma at all.

MEGAN: Really? That's new to me.

THERRY: Now that is IF he is a pawn of the Affinity Factor. There's no Karma there at all. He's free of Karma, so long as he remains pure.

MEGAN: Does what he is supposed to.

THERRY: Right, and he doesn't get emotionally involved.

MEGAN: Oh, ( Laughter) I bet that doesn't happen too often!

THERRY: Well, that's beside the point. Now, the fact that something was done is going to create all kinds of emotions inside of you. You have choice--you can use your freewill to play these emotional games that may carry on for days and days and days, steaming up inside of you or you can seemingly forgive him and therefore, get rid of all the emotions.

MEGAN: So, that does benefit me.

THERRY: Exactly. Now, if he is a pawn, then it doesn't matter how you feel. There's no Karma there. Now, if he is a willing participant and he has accrued Karma, what you feel inside you isn't going to affect him at all. He's got his own emotions to deal with. Therefore, it's to your benefit to forgive for your sake, not for their sake. The only reason you would refuse to forgive is if you want to try and get even.

MEGAN: I can see how it would benefit me, but I am just thinking that it seems it would benefit the other person because they would feel like, "Oh, good, now I am not on their shit list anymore."

THERRY: Of course not. They don't give a damn about you. They have their own games they are involved in.

MEGAN: Then why do people often say, "Oh, thanks. I appreciate you forgiving me."

THERRY: It's called common courtesy. It's called playing the social roles. You really think that everybody who says they are sorry are really sorry?

MEGAN: No, no.

THERRY: It's just a social role. "I forgive you. Oh, good!" Do you think they REALLY feel good because they are forgiven? As if they really cared for you. That's simply examples of playing with love.

MEGAN: So, this is true even if this person is not a pawn to you. It could be anybody.

THERRY: It could be a tree! Still the same set of rules.

MEGAN: So, the act of forgiving releases him from the situation--the one asking for the forgiveness.

THERRY: Right. Say the whole law.

MEGAN: I am just going to read this. 'Man may use the greatness of his heart to forgive another the crimes and the pain committed against him and in doing so, --

THERRY: Okay, that's not the law, so there's no need to read it. The law verbatim is: 'The individual can use the greatness of his heart to forgive harm and the imagined harm done to him by another, but Karma forgives nothing.' In the forgiving, he releases himself from the Wheel of Pain, but the individual is not forgiven by Karma. First of all, there may not even be Karma there if the other individual was a pawn.

MEGAN: The individual would also be released from the emotions.

THERRY: Exactly. It's the get-even deal.

MEGAN: Well, it sounds almost sarcastic when you say, 'the greatness of his heart'. I mean it truly is a great thing to try and forgive?

THERRY: Yes, it is part of the Holy Path.

MEGAN: Understand, forgive and love?

THERRY: Exactly. Forgiveness 99% of the time, while it appears you are forgiving others, you really are forgiving yourself.

MEGAN: I have to think about that. I guess it makes sense. And the sooner you forgive, the less attachments you'll get, the less emotion and pain, right?

THERRY: The less time you spend in the get-even game, the better.

MEGAN: We just spoke about the hierarchy of needs with the World of Alfa. It says, 'Few of us have been able to get up to love and self-security under the hierarchy of needs.' But even if one is just at the basic level of the hierarchy, do they tend to spend much time on the spiritual path? I mean, is there a relationship there?

THERRY: Based upon the laws of the hierarchy of needs, if you are hungry, you don't give a shit whose God is present, if there's any God at all. You just want to eat! That's the limitations of what the hierarchy of needs is. If you can't stand up, you have to crawl. It's stupid to talk about walking.

MEGAN: But isn't it true that we go up and down on the hierarchy of needs? Sometimes we are more secure than at other times?

THERRY: Based on the games you are playing. Remember there is a difference between the set of needs that belong to the vehicle and the set of needs that play the game.

MEGAN: Well, the ones they list in the hierarchy of needs are the real needs.

THERRY: Those are the needs that belong to the vehicle.

MEGAN: So, those other ones are the game needs such as security, the approval.

THERRY: No, that's part of the vehicle, too.

MEGAN: It is?

THERRY: Yeah, I think in that set of needs there are seven of them.

MEGAN: Well, then by virtue of having a Teacher and being a student of Arkashea, have we somehow gotten past those basic needs?

THERRY: Well, you are working on understanding the needs of the games.

MEGAN: So, I was wondering, you don't have to be self-actualized to start working on your spirituality.

THERRY: You can't learn and you can't be an Arkashean unless you already are self-actualized. In order for an individual to become part of Arkashea, there's a certain level of competence that must be fulfilled or else they can't come here.

MEGAN: Really? For all the students who are here in the physical, and not here but are students, are self-actualized?

THERRY: Yes. They have achieved various levels of self-actualization.

MEGAN: What does that mean then? How do you define self-actualization?

THERRY: Look it up in the magic book.

MEGAN: What's that? Oh, you mean the dictionary?

THERRY: Right.

MEGAN: Well, does the student have to be aware that they are self-actualized?


MEGAN: Oh, all right. So, could this have been attained in other lifetimes?

THERRY: That doesn't say anything about that.

MEGAN: So, you are saying that everyone who is studying is at the highest levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

THERRY: Yes. You have to have taken responsibility for your own actions. You've got to have enough language ability to know the difference between who's responsible for what.

MEGAN: Are you saying you don't get into other people's games knowing that you are ultimately responsible for your actions or thoughts.?

THERRY: Correct.

MEGAN: Who's responsible for what. Do you also mean by that not to infringe on other people's ...

THERRY: No, that's got nothing to do with it. When you infringe on someone else's responsibility, you are being an enabler or a busybody.

MEGAN: So, you are saying that people are learning that here.

THERRY: Yes. Being self-actualized is nothing more than being motivated towards something.

MEGAN: Is it the same for everyone?

THERRY: No. How could it be the same for everybody on anything? They all come from a various history. That's why they are in the World of Alfa. There is only one of each. There might be a lot of similarities, but there are no duplications.

MEGAN: Well, the generality of people wanting to be students of themselves or to know themselves better, would that be ...

THERRY: Well, even if they become a student of themselves, each would be learning different things.

MEGAN: That's true. I had a misconception on that one. But I just had one more question. The book talked about alter-realities. Could an alter-reality be just a person looking at something in a different way ?


MEGAN: Okay. Rather than someone traveling to another level.

THERRY: They both can fit as to an alter-reality.

MEGAN: Yeah, it says in the book, 'If it is an objectionable illusion in this reality, you go into an alter-reality that is more favorable.' So, I never thought of it that way until I read this. I always thought it had to be some big Astration or something.

THERRY: No. Just a change of mind. A change of level of observation.

MEGAN: Right. Well, that's all I have for now. Thank you.