Arkashean Q&A Session -- 050
DICK: What's the difference between the two types of labs?
THERRY: Well, in the place designated as Laboritory within reality, it has the full powers of creation. But within the Astral Plane of Common reality, you can have or experience the state of a mini Laboritory which is basically being in a lab where you could learn more or less in the same vein as you would in the Laboritory, except that it's limited to the powers of whatever runs common reality.
ROSE: I mean, your Karma --
THERRY: Up there it's Karma-free; down here you pay for it; it's not free.
ROSE: I mean, the difference between say, the lab and the Laboritory--
THERRY: See, anything which takes place within the laboratory's Karma-free; it's a gift.
ROSE: Oh, the lab in the Laboritory?
THERRY: No. Anything that takes place within the Laboritory is Karma-free; it is a gift from your OtherWorld teacher.
ROSE: Is the lab in the Laboritory?
THERRY: Now the lab is here on the Astral plane of Common reality. That's a mini-type teaching session where everybody that you meet or live with is part of the classroom. That is not Karma-free; you run that; we simply set up a scenario and then you run with in according to whatever it is that you are. It's sort of like a little test. You know, like when you go to school, at the end of the semester you have a test? That sort of thing.
LARRY: So, as a specific, would having met Sue, and getting married and having a son be a lab situation?
THERRY: Yea, it's quite possible that that is so.
LARRY: So that's the type of thing you're talking about?
THERRY: Yea. And what you do as a result of whatever unfolds, that's your, for a lack of a better term, test.
LARRY: Would it be in response to whatever Karma you were working on?
THERRY: That's one of the veins.
LARRY: Like, if that's a pattern that you're responsible for--
THERRY: That is one of the veins, but there is something far more powerful going on. Like, if you go to school here to enter a program, then there are a lot of things that you have to learn, there are a lot of classes that you have to take, that may not necessarily be directly related, seemingly, to your interest factor, but you still have to take all of those classes. It could be something like that. So, it is not per say, the main subject, it could be a prerequisite to something else you really want. So, let us assume that you really want the Magi status in reality. Well, that requires that you enter a very heavy course of study, and this lab could be just a test for something that you've already taken.
DICK: So, in a lab situation, do you have to ask for access to that the same way you would a Laboritory situation, or is that something that happens Karmically?
THERRY: No, in a lab situation, you use your own free will to make your own decisions; if you set up things wrong, hey, so you got a wrong answer. Come grading time, you know what you did because of the amount of pain that you've got to go through. So, on a lab situation, nothing is Karma-free. Because what you do with your lab situation depends upon, or will determine what you're going to have to learn for the future. But it's your own free will that does it.
BLAKE: Are you distinguishing between a lab and a Laboritory?
THERRY: Yes. Does that answer your question?
LARRY: Um-hum. The only other question I have about it is, does everyone that works with you, from what I assume is a lab situation for that fact that we're all here on this level of reality, does it necessarily mean that they would also work with you specifically in a Laboritory situation?
LARRY: Could they also work with other teachers?--
LARRY: Are you the one?
THERRY: I'm lucky I guess.
CORA: Could part of me be working in the Laboritory right now?
CORA: Right now... I don't have to be in a dream state?
THERRY: No, you don't have to be in a dream state. There are many things that are occurring simultaneously but not at the same time. (Lots of laughter-in reference to earlier session that discussed difference between simultaneous and `at the same time.')
ROSE: We're never going to hear the end of this.
LARRY: There's funny little premonitions Sue and I have talked about; every now and then either one of us will get about, `gee, if Therry were here, he'd say, " blah, blah, blah" --That could very well be a Laboritory experience?
THERRY: Or the bleed-down from one.
CORA: I mean if I'm in my Laboritory right now, something may occur on this level that could be a bleed-through?
THERRY: A bleed-through, yes. Or, I think a trickle down would be more accurate than a bleed-through; but they're both interchangeable.
DICK: You mean like an aftereffect?
THERRY: No. It's like a bleed-over, but it's really like a trickle down effect. It's like if you set up dominos, and you start knocking them over, well, if you wanted to see what the first five dominos would look like as they fall, then your concern would be the first five, but obviously once you start them falling, a lot more than just five are going to fall. The rest are just trickle-down or bleed-over.
ROSE: Is it usual that someone has the same teacher on all the different levels, like John had just asked before?
THERRY: It's the norm.
ROSE: It's the norm?
CORA: The part of me that's in the Laboritory, is it aware of the me that's sitting here now?
THERRY: Yes, far more aware than you are.
CORA: So it's a more conscious part of me, more aware?
THERRY: It is that part that people often call their higher selves.
CORA: Likewise, is it in the dream state usually the Laboritory?
THERRY: Not necessarily; now you're talking about something different. You're talking about the walk of the Grand Awakening; got nothing to do with what we're talking about now.
CORA: On that walk, is that consciousness aware of this one more than this one's aware of that one?
THERRY: Read the Grand Awakening; it will explain it.
CORA: I did. I've read it a million times. I understand a little piece of it.
THERRY: Keep reading it, soon enough you--
CORA: Yea, I will.
THERRY: Besides, you don't have the full complete version of it.
CORA: Me? At home you mean, with my book?
THERRY: Yea. That's not the full complete version.
CORA: No, no, I don't.
THERRY: `Cause the full complete version of it got pictures, and graphs and everything else.
DICK: But that dream state, the Grand Awakening is a way to get to the Laboritory?
THERRY: No, it's got nothing to do with one another. They're totally two separate animals.
JOHNNY: I'm changing the subject completely--
THERRY: Raise the volume.
JOHNNY: Okay, changing the subject completely, I think, about these guys, I think you met Tim first?
JOHNNY: What, twenty years ago?
JOHNNY: I think Tina was talking about that, when you first met people, and there was no structure.
THERRY: Oh yes, there was a lot of structure. There was no enforced structure.
JOHNNY: No Nomarch, okay, anyway, what happened before, when you met Tim?
THERRY: What happened before I met Tim?
JOHNNY: What were you doing, teaching here?
THERRY: Yea, Tim is not the oldest student that I have.
JOHNNY: Oh, okay.
THERRY: There's over three hundred, well over three hundred students before Tim.
JOHNNY: Do these people come here sometimes?
THERRY: No, I go there.
ROSE: Where? (Laughter)
BLAKE: A place called Oz.
LARRY: He's known as the Wizard of Oz.
JOHNNY: I didn't know you could get this kind of thing playing tickets (not sure of words here).
LARRY: Um, just to back up a little bit to what we were talking about before, when you're explaining to Michele about the fact that you may very well achieve a certain level of understanding and learning in this lifetime, however you could completely chose to disregard that the next time around, and become a pimp in Saigon, just for an example --
THERRY: As a matter of fact, you could be worse than that still; you could open up your own whorehouse and be your own best customer.
LARRY: And completely disregard, and pay no attention to what you learned this time around.
LARRY: Or, you could go back to it again next life.
LARRY: And I think somebody said, well, would you get a head start by being exposed to it at a younger age so that you had more time within this lifetime to deal with things.
LARRY: Is that something that Sam's done?
THERRY: Wouldn't that belong to him?
LARRY: Yea I guess it would.
THERRY: I can't give you personal information that belongs to somebody else. I don't think you'd like it if you heard that I was standing on street corners telling the world about you, would you?
LARRY: No, okay. Then let me ask another question. It revolves around the same thing, but I don't think I'm asking something that I shouldn't ask.
LARRY: When he--Susan had got pregnant.
LARRY: She had already known you for years. When we met, she was writing the Discovery.
THERRY: Yes. Reciting I think would be a better term.
LARRY: Recording, whatever. Was --Obviously on this conscious level I had never met you before, but would I have fit under the classification of student at that time?
LARRY: That's it. Next.
ROSE: I never noticed before them calling you Pharaoh instead of Therry. Is that a conscious thing or is it sometimes Therry and sometimes Pharaoh?
THERRY: No, it's very conscious.
ROSE: Well, when did that start? I never noticed it before.
THERRY: It all depends on whom they're talking to. If they're doing official business, official monastery business, then they don't talk to Therry. See, we have a system where people here have got to know who's talking to them because everybody wears so many different hats, so people have to know if it's their boss that talking to them, if it's a friend that's talking to them, or if it's just a shmuck that's talking to them. So we have it so that if you use the person's title, then it's official business, and there's no fooling around.
ROSE: Oh, okay.
THERRY: But if they just use the person's Arkashean name, then it's just a friend and you very seldom pay close attention to it; you just horse around or whatever. Not only that, but if it's part of the Arkashean government that speaks, you just don't talk back. Your only recourse is `yes'. But if it's just the individual that speaks, ehhh, your grandmother's wearing a mustache! So again, it's an automatic limitation or an automatic awareness of curtailing freedoms.
JOHNNY: Does it happen, for example, that you call E'ebar Nomarch?
THERRY: Yea, it does; I will often call him Nomarch. But again it depends on--Therry won't, but Pharaoh will.
ROSE: What's Nomarch?
THERRY: Nomarch is the ruler of --E'ebar is Nomarch of Miami branch. It's sort of like a governor of a state.
ROSE: Oh, it's a title.
THERRY: It's a title.
ROSE: Oh, I thought it was his real name or something.
THERRY: No, it's a title, it's an office. In order to understand that, you'd have to understand the political structure of Arkashea, `cause there are many parts to Arkashea. There are a lot of sides to it. And one of the sides happens to be a political structure where you have to use diplomacy, and all of this other jazz. All of that is required in the political side of it.
ROSE: I kinda just glossed all that over, none of that! (Chuckles)
THERRY: Well, everything has a price. The things that they learn here, they can't learn any place else.
ROSE: No, I understand that. I'm sure it's just old built-up fears that I have against structure; not religion, `cause I know this is not a religion--
THERRY: No, it's not.
ROSE: But you know, a structured thing.
LARRY: Read the book Michele, read the book.
THERRY: Every group has to have a part, a political section; it's necessary.
LARRY: When you said that there were three hundred students before Tim--
THERRY: No, I didn't say that.
LARRY: You didn't?
THERRY: I said that there are well over three hundred students before Tim. Those are two different statements.
LARRY: Okay, there are well over three hundred students before Tim. On this conscious level of reality --
THERRY: It's called the astral plane of common reality.
LARRY: The astral plane of common reality. How many students do you have that you work with the way that you work with us right now? We're talking hundreds, thousands?
THERRY: I don't know, yeah, hundreds, thousands, I don't know, I never really counted them. I can only say that that telephone rings off the hook almost 24 hours a day, France, England, got some from Germany, Spain, Panama, Dominican Republic, all over the place.
LARRY: And are you the only one answering the phone?
THERRY: Sometimes I'll pass them off to Tina.. Sometimes I'll pass them off the some of the other people.
LARRY: What I meant was are there other teachers of the political--
THERRY: In other words, do I have duplications?
THERRY: Seven. There are seven of us.
DICK: Right now?
DICK: Throughout the world?
JOHNNY: You mentioned that there are people in France. Is it useful for me to meet them?
THERRY: If we ever think that, you'll meet them.
ROSE: With the other teachers, is it still called Arkashea? Or is it different titles?
THERRY: No, it's the same thing.
DICK: They have the same --
THERRY: Some of us call it different things but it's basically the same thing. But, again, I see that all of you are laboring under a false piece of information but I'm not going to correct it.
ROSE: All right.
CORA: Alright, let me ask something then. Do, are all seven, do all seven make up the Hound of Hell, or is there --
THERRY: There's only one Hound of Hell.
CORA: So, the others are --
THERRY: Hounds of Hell.
CORA: The others are Hounds of Hell.
ROSE: They're all the same.
CORA: Well, let me put it the way I was thinking about it. In other words, are the others teachers, maybe lesser teachers helping the Hound of Hell?
THERRY: No, they are the Hound of Hell.
CORA: They all are. The same. Okay. I was asking because it seems to be I guess for the lack of a better word personality differences. What is that that I feel and see?
THERRY: I think the rest of the world might call it channeling.
CORA: What do you mean?
THERRY: One body, many minds. Many bodies, one mind.
CORA: But then do they have a certain degree of individuality?
THERRY: No. They have no individuality at all.
CORA: What makes them seem different?
THERRY: It's just the illusion that you approach them with.
ROSE: Are they all physical? Are there seven on the Earth?
THERRY: You know what bilocation means?
THERRY: There are seven of us.
ROSE: But bilocation could be on different levels, can't it?
THERRY: Could all be on the same level too, can't it?
ROSE: Are they all on the same level?
THERRY: Can be.
ROSE: Do you not want to answer my question directly?
CORA: They're all coming through you, aren't they?
THERRY: We are one.
CORA: So, I'm imagining when I see differences.
THERRY: No, well, yeah. What you're seeing is the fact there's many facets to the Mind Force.
CORA: Oh, okay.
THERRY: It's called channeling. Many aspects of the mind force which each takes their turn in that special area of wisdom. And you simply gain the ability to recognize when one force leaves and the other enters. I use the term channeling because that's today's word for it.
LARRY: Would one of those entities ever take the form of another physical body in order to interact with us where we wouldn't be aware that it was one of those entities or you?
LARRY: So, the guy who sticks the cup out on the street corner of New York could very well be--
LARRY: Thus, the lab test would pop up at any time.
THERRY: At any given time. Usually at the most unexpected time.
DICK: But, you wouldn't know it.
THERRY: That's for sure.
ROSE: You what?
THERRY: He says 'but you wouldn't know it.' There's an old saying. If you want to learn to type you must have a typewriter to bang on.
DICK: I don't see how that fits into this context.
THERRY: If you want to learn something you need a classroom to learn it in and you need pawns to play with. But all of the learning don't do any good if it is not recorded somehow someplace.
LARRY: The guy on the, okay, let's take a hypothetical situation, the guy on the street corner with the cup. If you were to be that person would that person actually exist for other than that moment?
THERRY: Could. (Laughter)
CORA: What? You mean you would just temporarily enter into him? Channeling through him?
LARRY: Do you ever do that with a student?
CORA: I'm sorry, what did you say?
LARRY: Do you ever do that with a student?
THERRY: Sometimes, which is more real than what you suggested I will borrow someone and as a sort of thank you note, leave it in better condition than what I found it.
CORA: That's not what I just said, channeling?
THERRY: Yeah, but it's different from just channeling.
CORA: So, it's like maybe going to the Laboratory but you're just borrowing the body as a vehicle? With their permission right?
JOHNNY: What happens to the mind, do they leave there?
THERRY: No, they're in the Laboratory. But I very, very, very, very seldom need to borrow the physical, because most of the stuff that I do doesn't have to be done in the physical. It's only necessary sometimes that I let the physical know my presence. But, the majority of the time you're unaware that I'm there.
DICK: For that to happen you have to ask for it at some point, right?
DICK: You wouldn't just enter someone without them asking for some help.
ROSE: Can I ask a question about your hesitancy to talk about whether all seven of you are on the physical or not? Is that so we just focus on one teacher instead of looking around for another?
THERRY: No. It's just best; there are just some things that I don't want to talk about. Some things are best left in the dark.
LARRY: Get the hint? Are these animals students?
THERRY: Doesn't that belong to them? (Laughter)
LARRY: its just there's such an interesting dynamic between all of the beasts that are around.
THERRY: Including the human kind.
ROSE: That's true. These animals are unique.
JOHNNY: Even sharks.
THERRY: Can't hear you.
JOHNNY: Even sharks.
LARRY: If I understand it correctly, but are they Oblivionites to our level?
THERRY: Not necessarily.
LARRY: Okay. But it does happen.
LARRY: Do Oblivionites have teachers?
THERRY: On their respective level.
ROSE: Is someone like Edgar Cayce even though he did things like you wouldn't ordinarily do like prophesize the future, fortunes and stuff, he claimed that he got a lot of his knowledge from what he called the Arkashic Records--
ROSE: Was he talking about the same thing? Was he tapped into the same information? Yes.
THERRY: Just a lower level of it.
LARRY: What is it?
ROSE: The Arkashic Records. That's where he got his knowledge.
THERRY: The hall of records. It is the soul of Earth.
LARRY: The what?
THERRY: The soul of Earth. The Hall of Records, it's like a big library. Except that it's not a library, it's a library, it's a concept library, but it's not really books where you take it out, open a page and read. It's that same concept and everything that has occurred within Maya is recorded there. Every time you have a thought, it doesn't matter if the thought is good or bad, every time you do something to, for, or against somebody, it's recorded there.
JOHNNY: This guy didn't find this in the New York Public Library. There's no question of that.
THERRY: Right, he didn't.
LARRY: And, you can't get a card to check it out.
THERRY: Correct. They don't have library cards.
DICK: So, was he some sort of a teacher?
LARRY: By using, I don't even know who this guy is--
ROSE: Edgar Cayce?
LARRY: Was he making money by being a prophesier and what not? He wrote a book that was on the bestseller list?
THERRY: No, he didn't write the book. He was already pushing up daisies from the other side. He did life readings and he wouldn't predict the future per se as much as it would be the effect of today onto tomorrow.
ROSE: On to?
LARRY: Would that be an example of what you described earlier where you could learn so much and then get to a level where you then decided that you were going to stop and just deal with how you wanted with the information you have as opposed to continue to learn. Sort of take a vacation with a lot of information.
THERRY: I don't know. I don't know how to answer that question. Do we have any snacks?
CORA: We've got Chinese food.
BLAKE: What did I miss? How much did you guys talk about?
THERRY: They tried to zero in on me but I wouldn't be zeroed.
BLAKE: Uh-huh. Like, who are you?
BLAKE: Where did you come from?
DICK: We didn't get to that. (Laughter)
CORA: I got one. Everyone on this level eventually has to become Arkashean, or is maybe Arkashean now but maybe doesn't realize?
THERRY: Which question do you want me to answer?
CORA: Well, okay, let's see. Does everybody have to, in order to, what's the word, evolve, must go through --become Arkashean?
CORA: Okay, now the second part of that. You once talked about the First Thought. I'm not sure my memory's good. Did you say that some of us, our First Thought was to be Arkashean teachers or to at least work--
CORA: You didn't say that?
CORA: So, then just everybody eventually heads towards Arkashea.
THERRY: Anyone who is resident of Earth by way of their descent shall, if they wish to leave, Arkashea, they will leave according to the set of Laws that allowed them in Arkashea. Which means, basically, they're going to have to learn law. That's what Arkashea's all about.
CORA: Did you say to leave Arkashea?
THERRY: No, to leave Earth.
CORA: Oh, to leave Earth, okay. You mean they could not, you mean for all eternity--
THERRY: No, because Earth ain't going to last that long.
CORA: Well, even when Earth gets blown up, I mean, aren't' there a lot of other levels of Maya--
THERRY: Yep. Throughout the Universe. --commit them to this level. It does it by law and therefore it will govern how they'll get out. The only way they can learn the law is through Arkashea. Therefore, everybody will eventually be Arkashean.
ROSE: This is kind of back to my earlier question; will it always be called Arkashea? Can it have a different title or something? You know what I mean?
THERRY: Yeah, I know what you mean.
ROSE: Will it always be called Arkashea; is that the word that will be used?
THERRY: It will be recognized as Arkashea but it won't always be called Arkashea. But, it won't matter what the label is it will still be recognized as Arkashea.
ROSE: Is there a reason for the different names?
THERRY: Language change over time.
CORA: All of us students, are we here simply out of desire? Or--
CORA: Okay. It has nothing to do with the amount of time spent, the more you've been back here you probably say, god, I'm sick of this, I better find my way out.
CORA: Just total desire?
CORA: So, in fact there are a great many people with lifetime upon lifetime that never has a spiritual thought.
THERRY: Correct. When you're playing the war game it's pretty difficult to have a spiritual thought.
CORA: but yet, it's possible to break away. Obviously people have done that. I mean... it's such a small percentage of people who break away from that. It just makes me wonder why somebody would go into it.
THERRY: You have to remember the species is very young.
ROSE: When you're choosing, what you were talking about earlier, you said you let a certain amount of windows open, you know, you don't completely shut everything out in order for what you want to learn. Can that change anything? Open new ones?
ROSE: (tape turned off then back on)--real heavy religious stuff. But even here, I don't feel about this at all the way I felt about religion, but still when I start hearing about the structures or rules or whatever, it makes me want to run away again. Is that just that fear, or is it...
THERRY: You don't like limits.
ROSE: I don't know if that's true because, I'm--at least I'm --
THERRY: It's conceivable that if for you if it has limits or regulations that you don't like, you bring it back to the time of your life that your parents put limits on you that you couldn't accept.
ROSE: But I don't seem to mind limits in other directions so much, it's just when it has to do with religion or--
THERRY: Only because it was forced.
ROSE: So, that's just childhood stuff hanging on?
THERRY: Yep. And trickle-down.
ROSE: Trickle-down from the Laboratory like we were talking about?
THERRY: Past lives.
ROSE: Past lives. So, that's necessarily a protective thing?
THERRY: No, it's a fear thing. You were one of the--oh, okay. Can't say it.
THERRY: Because I was just told to shut up.
ROSE: Oh. But, that seems a pity if it's going to get in my way of wanting to pursue a life--
THERRY: When Akhenaten was in power after he was murdered, the priests of Akhenaten, or the priests of Amen-Re hunted down the Arkasheans and they killed them wherever they could because the limits of their religion obeyed the presence of any power that was equal or stronger than themselves.
ROSE: So, I was probably hunted for my religious beliefs at some time? How can I get over that if it's going to get in my way of pursuing?
THERRY: Have to forgive.
ROSE: Have to forgive? I don't even remember it.
THERRY: Part of you does. That's the trickle-down.
JOHNNY: Can you consider when you've been (inaudible) whatever it is that it could be trickle-down?
THERRY: It's always a possibility but that doesn't mean that's what it is.
ROSE: How can I go about learning what that was about and try to forgive it so to speak? To try to think about it before I go to sleep or something?
ROSE: How can I go about getting rid of that anger?
THERRY: We talked about it all ready.
ROSE: We talked about it all ready?
THERRY: Yeah. Learn to handle your mother. Learn to be able to continue to communicate with her and not be angry even though she's spouting her belief system.
THERRY: Did that light a bell? Or maybe ring a candle?
ROSE: Because it's not just her religious beliefs. I tend to get angry at any religious beliefs. Hmm.
THERRY: Gee, I made a funny and you never even caught it.
ROSE: I caught it. Light a bell, ring a candle. That's funny, especially because to get over my fear or anger at religion is to stop being fearful or angry about...seems so simple. I never thought about it that way. That my anger was because it was something that was done to me. I always thought it was just stupid or something. Is that a common theme? The things that you get particularly upset or angry about, you in fact did to somebody?
THERRY: Remember the law, you walk towards the things that you fear and you become the things that you hate.