Arkashean Q&A Session -- 120
MARTHA: I've heard that the majority of entities on this planet who've been here a long time have in fact murdered.
THERRY: It's quite possible, but you can't make the blanket statement. Logic would state "Yes." Murder is a continuum or a game that can be played for so very long.
MARTHA: Many, many lifetimes. When you once said that suicide's a very popular game, did you mean the suicide that closes the cycle suicide?
THERRY: No, because part of that whole loop is murder.
MARTHA: So you meant more the doing it out of getting attention? Accident?
THERRY: Yeah. What people call accidental suicide. It's a very popular game.
MARTHA: But it's still the suicide loop, isn't it?
THERRY: It's the Suicide Continuum.
MARTHA: But not the loop?
THERRY: If killing itself goes under murder rather than suicide you will not enter the suicide loop. You'll simply continue the suicide or the murder Karma. Remember there's only one occasion, only once in that journey does a person commit suicide. And that always closes the loop. Up until that time, it's always murder.
MARTHA: If the one you were murdering all the time was yourself, would you have to enter a suicide loop because you murdered yourself? Is that getting ridiculous now?
THERRY: Yeah.
MARTHA: It is too ridiculous.
THERRY: 'Cause you don't murder yourself that often.
MARTHA: But then ...you said that the suicide loop you don't do that again but obviously this Karma is equally as bad, right?
THERRY: When an individual murders, especially if he murders himself, their in- between time is rather horrific.
MARTHA: But not the loop?
THERRY: It's not the loop. It's just in-between time. The end of the in-between time always brings them back into reincarnation.
MARTHA: Hopefully with the lesson learned that "don't do that again," right?
THERRY: Well, a whole lot of times, you'll do it again.
MARTHA: Didn't you just say that it's not common to do it again? You're saying that people do it often?
THERRY: Too many times.
MARTHA: Too many times.
THERRY: But using love as a weapon is very common.
MARTHA: So if it didn't work the first time, you might try it again?
THERRY: Uh-hmmm. But it's unlikely that you'll do it a third time.
MARTHA: It gets worse in that in-between time?
THERRY: Uh-hmmm.
MARTHA: Are there Teachers in the in-between time?
THERRY: Uh-hmmm.
MARTHA: But again, it's like any other thing we've talked about. They may come in a lot of horrifying forms?
THERRY: Yeah. Not may, do.
MARTHA: They do? But that would still be enough to teach?
THERRY: Yeah. Did you ever see the film Jacob's Ladder?
TARA: No.
THERRY: Try to see it. Jacob's Ladder is about...
TARA: I heard that was good.
SHERRY: Do we have it?
THERRY: I don't know if we have it. But it is about a soldier that dies and he's in his in-between time.
MARLENE: I didn't see that 'cause I heard that it was terrible.
THERRY: The entire film is his experience in an in-between time.
SHERRY: Oh.
TARA: I heard it was good.
THERRY: The movie begins, he's on the battlefield, he gets shot and he uhh goes into the Army Hospital and they put him on the cot. They won't even bother operating or anything because he's all blown away, it's just a matter of time before he dies. And the whole movie is what's going in his mind in his in-between.
SHERRY: Ewww!
THERRY: And at the end of the movie, I won't tell you how it ends. You see him die here as the movie ends on the other side. But it gives you an idea of the different type of experiences you can have.
MARLENE: Could it happen that you lived your life feeling a lot of love for the Universe and you did your best and you were getting near Death and you were maybe even looking forward to it and thinking, "Oh Boy! I'll get to see those who I've loved and missed." And you really had a positive and good attitude about it. Could even then your Death be a time of monsters if that had been your attitude?
THERRY: It's not your attitude in life that matters. It's your attitude during the entrance into the in-between time.
MARLENE: I remember once, you know, you said that, no matter what when you die, what comes to you is your Teachers and it may seem horrifying to strip away things that you needed to have stripped away. And they may appear ...
THERRY: No you changed what I said.
MARLENE: Oh, I totally believe that.
THERRY: I told you that, to the degree that you refuse to let go, to that degree are your Teachers horrific. But to the degree that you let go, to that degree do you see angels rather than demons.
MARLENE: So if in the in-between time you have a kind of delighted view of excitement and hope then mostly...?
THERRY: Everything will be great, everything will be positive.
MARLENE: But what if you're a person who's had a lot of love within them in their life and yet is a little afraid and still clinging a bit?
THERRY: Fear is not going to, you know...the proper fear or uncertainty is not going to create demons.
MARLENE: It's only the want to hold on to the earthly thing? It would seem to me, I mean, that if you want to hold on to the earthly things that it would be better if your Teachers had a more comely appearance so that it might enable you to let go. But if they're...
THERRY: It's only in the beginning.
MARLENE: Oh. Later maybe? They scare you into letting go. Most people who in their lives have tried to focus on spiritual matters and become as clear as they can in themselves and reach towards the best in themselves, they usually have a more positive Death experience, don't they?
[Pause]
THERRY: Alright go ahead.
MARTHA: We have been...the three of us have been discussing past incidences. The three of us have been in the same country, oh I guess it was, what are we talking about? Seventeen (17), eighteen (18) years ago... the three of us have huge gaps in our memory but it's all different. She remembers one thing. This isn't even like...I don't know if you know how to play that game Rashaman where the whole point was to ask three different people and get three different answers but this...we don't remember things. All of us in our own way...and some of us remember incredible things, it's...you would think the other people should remember. She just tells me about a car crash. I don't see how you could forget about a car crash. You must be out of your mind!
THERRY: There's a law that governs that.
MARTHA: Okay.
THERRY: Things that are more painful for a person, they tend to push away and hence forget more quickly. Also things that are of no importance to them at all, they have little if any value, they also tend to push away and forget real fast. Things that are valuable to them because it's germane to their life, tends to act as fuel to heighten the interest factor and hence they remember it much longer.
TARA: But that's like...I just discovered yesterday that Teresa lived with me in London for about a year and I don't even remember meeting her before New York! I mean that's a big chunk of time to forget about. But she told me all the different types of things that happened in the family and I remember those incidences but I don't remember that she was there! I mean that's a long chunk of time to forget something.
MARTHA: Yeah, but I think your time is off. See because you were with me and if I don't remember either, I think that maybe it was two weeks and you made it into a year.
TERESA: No, it wasn't two weeks.
MARTHA: How could we both have forgotten that she lived with us?
TARA: Even if it was two weeks, that's...that's you know...
MARTHA: But you were also in ballet school. You may not have even been there. I remember her living in all our apartments around Britain so how come I forgot this one thing. See everyone's like flying around somewhere.
TERESA: But the thing is, I didn't hang out with you and Tara during that period. I was with Colleen and Eric.
TARA: I gotta ask Eric this. I gotta ask him if he remembers you.
TERESA: If you ask, ask him if he remembers being pushed out of a moving taxi.
TARA: [Laugh] But big chunks of time like that you could forget...that's not uncommon?
THERRY: No, it's not uncommon at all.
MARTHA: This is selective memory that they call it?
THERRY: Selective forgetting.
MARTHA: Selective forgetting? Selective forgetting. Does uhm, does any of this have to do with, the expression, if you forget history you are destined for it to be repeated?
THERRY: It's connected.
MARTHA: Huh?
THERRY: It's connected.
TERESA: So we'll all meet at Wimpy's! [Laughter]
[Pause]
TERESA: And that's not helpful?
THERRY: It's not helpful 'cause you don't let it go. Remembering all that is useless. It's not going to help you any. There's a certain amount of time where you have to stop saying, okay, she or he did this. So what? Now what? Does that mean I have to ruin my life forever? There comes a time where you have to just let it go. Leave it alone. Just say that it was...the basic problem was his. Just go and live your life. There is a time where it helps to remember, because you have to go through a type of grieving process. Because after awhile that gets old.
TERESA: I thought I had. But I think that I uhm my memories are clear on things, very sharp and very murky on the rest usually.
THERRY: Can you in fact go through your life and year by year almost remember the pain that you've experienced with just about anybody?
TERESA: It's not so important about the anybody, it's my experience of...
THERRY: Yeah, then you hold on to it.
TERESA: I mean I remember sitting on a step thinking I feel bad and I'll probably always feel bad. And I'm talking when I was five years old and it had nothing to do with anybody else.
THERRY: You've got to remember the language you use to express how you feel controls your future. So if you tell yourself I'll feel bad and I'll will probably always feel, well the words that you're using is describing exactly what you're creating for yourself. What you're saying to yourself basically is, "I will never forget, I will never let it go" and one day, one day...
TERESA: One day what?
THERRY: The implication is that you'll get even.
TERESA: Oh. It's myself.
THERRY: Don't matter. So maybe you're getting even. Maybe you're not allowing yourself any peace. What better way to get even?
TERESA: Is it usually one time or is it a series of...?
THERRY: Depends up to the individual. A lot of times basically it's one happenstance however accidental and then everything else it's, "See! See! I told you. See!" And that's it. You never let go if you're, "See that's right! See, there's another one!"
TERESA: The basic premise is life is a big shit sandwich and you can take a bite every day and then if life just does that for me it just proves it.
THERRY: See, what you're doing is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and you're working very hard making sure that it maintains itself.
TERESA: Right.
THERRY: So you can't really say that life is a shit sandwich 'cause it's not true. Life is the best thing that you will ever possess. And it's the only tool they have to return from whence they came. So it's not life that's a shit sandwich, it's what you make of it. And you use your own Free Will to do that 'cause you don't have to. You do have a choice.
TERESA: Well, what's the inconsistency of...I mean...
THERRY: It's not inconsistent. It's very consistent.
TERESA: No, in terms of feeling as if something has been let go and then finding that apparently it's not?
THERRY: Well, the trauma that you deal with is like an onion. You spent an awful lot of time stacking up coat, after coat, after coat, after coat, after coat. Well, the law is, it takes about ten times the amount of pain to get out of something as it took the pleasure for you to get into it. Well, obviously you had a lot of pleasure bringing in those coats. You're not going to wipe away the whole thing in one fell swoop. You're going to have to wipe away one coat at a time. And perhaps that's what you're experiencing. Perhaps you did indeed strip away. But lo and behold, you forgot the sucker that's underneath. So in time, as you keep stripping away you will end up at the original harm and then you'll probably feel silly because it was tougher or you may turn around and burst into tears because from a romanticized memory, it was probably the worst thing that ever happened to you in your life. Usually though, it's something as simple as, "Damn it! He wasn't here for my birthday! He said he'd be there, but he wasn't here." And it doesn't matter what anybody says and what excuses are made, he wasn't here. My birthday came and went and my party is over and he wasn't here." It doesn't matter that he may have come three or four hours late and showered you with all kinds of apologies. It doesn't matter. He wasn't there. Could be as simple as that. Does it make sense to you?
TERESA: Uh-hmmm. Forgiveness is definitely what I think I should do. I have a very small margin for it.
TARA: What?
TERESA: I have a very small margin for forgiveness.
THERRY: There's something you don't understand. The act of forgiving is only an illusion of forgiving somebody else. The law states that "You can use the greatness of your heart to forgive the harm or the imagined harm done to you by others. In so doing, in the same self-moment, it is you who is forgiven. Karma forgives nothing!" So when you sit and exercise your Free Will to so-call "forgive someone," the only one that's being forgiven is you. You're forgiving yourself and therefore allowing yourself to move on.
TERESA: Forgiving myself for having the feeling?
THERRY: Right! For trying to steal. In this particular case, the stealing is demanding because of the Continuum of Expectations and demand, trying to claim something that wasn't worth it to begin with. So it creates a whole lot of emotions.
TERESA: Somebody else's will, that's what I was stealing?
THERRY: You were stealing somebody else's Free Will.
TERESA: By holding them to their word?
THERRY: Right.
TERESA: 'Cause they still have the right to break it.
THERRY: Well, they do have to live. They do have responsibilities and they do have worries.
TERESA: Oh! You mean they have a life?
THERRY: Yeah!!! There you go! [Chuckle] So the process of forgiving is in fact you forgiving yourself, allowing yourself to move on, but Karma forgives nothing Any sucker who is unfortunate to create harm to someone will have to pay for it because they too have to go through the same process of forgiving themselves. Because Karma forgives nothing, absolutely nothing. No credit, no borrowing, no begging and no stealing.
TERESA: Does it expect nothing?
THERRY: Demand nothing. You can expect all you want, but don't demand anything. When something doesn't come around in exactly the way that you want or other people agree to, don't demand that they live up to whatever it was that was said. In so doing, you're the one that's held back, not them.
TERESA: I would rather walk away if in a relationship, there's an inability to do what they say they're going to do.
THERRY: You'll end up alone. It may come as a shock to you, but nobody came down to this planet to satisfy your wants however selfish they may be. If you were to walk away from everybody who couldn't live up to any premature agreement, you'll end up totally, totally, totally alone. Totally! Because everybody, absolutely everybody at some point has a priority that is so pressing that they can't always do what they would like to do. Remember they too must serve the needs for the moment and that moment is not always for you. Using your vernacular, they have a life. And by the Laws of Creation, that life should come first.
TERESA: What if it's more important that I am alone? That's okay.
THERRY: That's okay too, except but that you'll discover that the Universe won't let you be. When you descended, when you came into the dust, you made an agreement, you're one of the crowd. You are one member of a specie. The human specie is gregarious in nature. It's not made up of soloists or separatists. So as much as you try being alone, it's only out of vengeance not of disfavor and the only one that's going to suffer out of that is you 'cause life is going to continue regardless. It's going to continue with you or without you. But it is going to continue and it's not going to leave you alone. So life doesn't give a damn how long you stand in a corner or sit in a corner and pout.
TERESA: I don't...I never thought it did.
THERRY: No, it doesn't. And if you think that you're getting away from something just because society is allowing you to pout, you've got another thought coming lady. 'Cause you're coming right back and you're going to be right back in the same situation that you were, only it's going to be a little worse. And each life you don't wake up and smell the roses, it's going to keep getting a little worse and a little worse and a little worse and it ain't never going to leave you alone until you smarten up.
TERESA: So I'm going to earn that Grecian formula with the family!
[Laughter]
THERRY: You know what the beautiful Karma of that is? When you seek to separate yourself the way you do - one life you're going to have something that you want real badly, but you won't be allowed to have it. And that much more that you ain't going to be allowed to have it, the more you're going to want to have it, but you're still not going to be allowed to have it. Where is the logic in you obtaining something that you seek to throw away only because it doesn't meet your specific needs at the moment. Justice in life is absolute. Anytime anybody out of anger or out of malice turns their back on something, the retribution of another life is they are born wanting that thing. And that desire is so great that they cannot control it but they may never have it.