Arkashean Q&A Session -- 001
MEGAN: Therry, I would like to ask a few more questions about Urning. And you said it was a state of Urning. And that it felt like an empty spot or void in someone's life.
THERRY: That's where you miss your other half.
MEGAN: Right. And it's sort of a sharing from human to human. What I was wondering about is, if , in fact, you find someone that you can fill that with, do you continue to look? Or has it been fulfilled?
THERRY: It's a case that it will always have to be filled. It is not a case where once it is filled, it is always filled. Due process of living empties it.
MEGAN: Meaning that people change and situations change? But, I guess my question is, if someone has that person they feel complete with at that moment, they are not going to be looking elsewhere at that moment?
THERRY: Providing both parties are amiable to one another.
MEGAN: Well, then, that brings up a question. Can one person be satisfied and one not? Not necessarily mutually satisfying?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: And then by virtue of what you are telling me, there is not one special person that is meant to be that person that fills that role. You could have several in the world that could do that.
THERRY: That's correct.
MEGAN: I was reading the Lexicon entry entitled, 'Abandon all hope ye who enter.' It was talking about the path that one walks alone and the path that one does not walk alone. The Twin Paths. The one that walks with someone would be another-world Teacher, right?
THERRY: Not always. Could be a friend. And for a series of moments, it could even be a stranger. An acquaintance you happen to meet that you travel along the road with for awhile.
MEGAN: So, that's considered part of your path, too, even a momentary conversation with someone?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Is Man meant to be with others of his kind?
THERRY: Yes. Man is gregarious.
MEGAN: Then what path does Man walk alone? Birth? Death?
THERRY: Right. There are certain things in life that nobody can do for you. You have to do for yourself. All learning you have to do for yourself. All growing you have to do for yourself. Nobody can eat for you, nobody can live for you, nobody can die for you, nobody can give birth for you.
MEGAN: How about the creative process? Is that an alone thing?
THERRY: Yes. Nobody can think your thoughts for you. The creative process comes from your thoughts. It is part of the claim to uniqueness to be walking the path alone.
MEGAN: It sounds like there is more time spent doing things alone. There's a lot you have to do alone.
THERRY: Everything you do alone.
MEGAN: I thought there was a shared path, too.
THERRY: Yes, but even on that shared path, it is you, yourself, that has got to do it.
MEGAN: Is there a continuum in people's lives where some people get by with less companionship than others?
THERRY: Yep.
MEGAN: Why does that happen?
THERRY: Just their makeup. It happens to be where they fall along the continuum. Some people need people more than others. Some people are just basic loners. The fewer people they meet, the better.
MEGAN: So, again, this is not good or bad. It is just different.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: But, I imagine, if you were one who was needing people, you may be playing ulterior games. Games of approval or of insecurities they felt.
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: I was wondering about the nature of the student-teacher relationship. Is it necessarily a one-to-one experience?
THERRY: No. The teacher-student relationship doesn't have to be a face-to-face, one-on-one. It can exist beyond the barriers of Time and beyond the boundaries of Space. Somebody could write a book in Year 1 and somebody else read that book in Year 3 million and learn from it. It is still the student-teacher relationship.
MEGAN: I didn't consider that. I heard at one point there was an attempt to give spirituality to the masses and then it was realized it was better to work one-on-one. How did that work?
THERRY: They killed the teacher.
MEGAN: This was during Jesus' time?
THERRY: Yep.
MEGAN: Oh, so he attempted to teach in large groups.
THERRY: Yes. But then, he was not the only one that was killed that way. Many teachers were killed by the masses. It is like the old saying, 'I try to be spiritual, but my beliefs get in the way.'
MEGAN: So, when Jesus was killed, did the Universe think it best to reconsider and sentinel societies came around? How did it change?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Things were not so visible anymore and out in the open?
THERRY: Correct. With all spiritual groups, not just Arkashea. They discovered that mass education is not the way to go. With mass education, all you have is mob rule.
MEGAN: Also, here you cater to the individual depending on what they need. Policies can be changed if need be.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: But you are saying, up until Jesus' time, basically, it was the masses were attempted to be taught?
THERRY: I don't think you can look at it with such a limited demarcation and still be accurate.
MEGAN: What would be more accurate?
THERRY: I think it is closest to the truth that you can get, is since the last teacher was killed, they haven't tried public means. Although some religious sects are still doing the public thing. It is a way to get votes and to get cash. But in terms of their spirituality, there isn't any. There's a lot of religion going on and little or no spirituality.
MEGAN: O.K. I was reading about the Alliance of the Rule and came upon the term 'Book of Seeds'. Who was Ptoh?
THERRY: He was the keeper of the Book of Seeds.
MEGAN: Is this really a book? Can I get a copy?
THERRY: No, not really. The Book of Seeds is one of the chapters in the Book of Necronomicon, but it is a different book.
MEGAN: So, it doesn't exist at this level?
THERRY: Well, when you say it doesn't exist, that has a different connotation. Better to say, it is doubtful that any being on the Astral Plane of Common Reality will ever come across it.
MEGAN: What sort of information is in it?
THERRY: Well, it is not important for now. You might as well wait until you learn more.
MEGAN: There was another passage in 'The Alliance of the Rule' that I didn't understand. It says, "Not only did each traveler have to pay the price of the Alliance of the Rule to enter, the traveler also had to make the proper trade-off before he was allowed to leave." What does that mean, the proper trade-off?
THERRY: You can't leave until everything is equal. Your karmic chord has to be exactly the same as when you entered. The only thing that always you can take with you is wisdom. Everything else has to stay behind.
MEGAN: Well, it does mention in the next paragraph about the karmic chord which I didn't know what that meant. You are not allowed to leave until your karmic chord is like the original? Meaning as you entered, as you were born?
THERRY: Correct, but as you entered the Earth Experience.
MEGAN: Oh, so this could take a long time. And you do have to equalize all your karma. And just looking at your negative karma?
THERRY: That's all there is. All the stuff that is positive is transferred into wisdom. And there is no longer karma.
MEGAN: Oh. I have always heard of the silver chord that binds us--it is not related to that?
THERRY: Both the same.
MEGAN: It is? Can you give me more information? I don't understand karmic chord.
THERRY: That's where the Tallyman records all of its records. Basically, you have to clean up after yourself.
MEGAN: Leave it as you came.
THERRY: Exactly. You can go in and play, but you better clean up the room before you leave.
MEGAN: So, the karmic chord would be what? Basically what you were going down to Earth to do to begin with?
THERRY: In other words, when you enter, the forces that allow you to pass through the barrier takes a snapshot of what your karmic chord is. So, they know exactly what your karma is. And in all aspects and in all levels and in all ways, you can't leave until...because that is what they will recognize. What exists at that moment is the only thing that is going to open and close those gates for you. So, if you approach it and it's not the same, you can't leave.
MEGAN: So, you are talking about the big picture here as far as leaving...
THERRY: I am talking about every life. Any place, any level that you go is the same set of laws. Whatever you do in Level A, you have to clean up after yourself.
MEGAN: Okay. How does that relate to the chord that binds us to...if you go out and Astrate. Is this your karmic chord?
THERRY: Yeah, but the doors there are the Blood Mendellas. They allow you to leave the body temporarily, but the karmic chord still connects you to that body and reserves it for just you.
MEGAN: Okay. And then I was reading about the people who play more destructive games descend deeper into Maya and they become the working pawns and props of the level of awareness they found themselves in. So, the deeper you go, the more likely you may become an Oblivionite?
THERRY: Well, you don't become that way by accident. You become that way be absolutely, totally refusing to grow. And insisting on doing wrong.
MEGAN: Can you define for me Oblivionite?
THERRY: When you lose... you drop down one chain along the ladder of life forms. Or should I say, one link in the chain of the ladder of life forms.
MEGAN: So, if one becomes an Oblivionite, they become a prop or a pawn?
THERRY: Well, in the process of dropping, before they drop they can become a pawn. Basically, they lose all free-will.
MEGAN: And are they ever given the opportunity again to come back ?
THERRY: It's a one-way street. Once you go through the Oblivion, then you drop down a link, you can still grow by the promise of the New Covenant, but you must now grow with your new species. You can't come back to the species that you left behind.
MEGAN: So, that is a rare condition?
THERRY: That's moot.
MEGAN: Okay. I was wondering about the State of Love. Does one understand Love or just feel Love?
THERRY: Neither. You just experience it. The Universe is Love. The power behind all goodness is Love.
MEGAN: Can it be defined?
THERRY: No. Can you define God? You just experience it. Same thing.
MEGAN: So, you know when you do, but you can't find it describable. I was just getting confused because we were speaking of the mutual satisfaction of needs being not Love. And so by example, you can say, that's Love, that's Love, but you can't really define it. You know it when you experience it.
THERRY: That's correct.
MEGAN: I had another question. I have heard the axiom, 'You teach what you most need to learn.' So, is what you see in other people is actually a reflection of what you recognize in yourself? You might say, "That person is so jealous." Is it really more accurate that you are having problems with jealousy?
THERRY: It is a good possibility.
MEGAN: But it's not always true?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: Could it also be a trait that was once active in yourself and you recognize it in someone else?
THERRY: Yes. That is quite possible.
MEGAN: I wanted to clear that up. And another thing I wanted to ask you about, Therry. I have had dreams in the past about Arkashea, having sinister dreams. I am wondering...
THERRY: Chances are that reflects your own negativity towards Arkashea.
MEGAN: Okay. Well, I haven't had them recently, but does that mean that you are delving down into deeper layers of the fears you might have?
THERRY: It's a possibility.
MEGAN: Nothing, per se, that you can say about it?
THERRY: No, it could be an excuse you can use so you don't have to go where you think your destiny leads you.
MEGAN: So, a lot of times dreams are really...
THERRY: Warnings or excuses.
MEGAN: I was going to say, could they not be accurate?
THERRY: They'd be accurate. It's just what you deal with. The same way as if you have a feeling. The feeling is always valid because it is a feeling. That's the way of feelings. What you do with it is what makes the difference.
MEGAN: Okay, so the information in a dream is not necessarily, something you shouldn't go by?
THERRY: It's always neutral. It gives you the opportunity to swing any way you want based on what your ultra hidden agendas are.
MEGAN: And you will act it out in a dream.
THERRY: Sometimes.
MEGAN: Do you recommend that students keep dream journals?
THERRY: Yes, I do recommend that they do keep journals. It will help them over the years. By rereading their journals, they can see the changes they have gone through.
MEGAN: Or the type of pattern of dream that they might have had 2 or 3 years ago might not be occurring now.
THERRY: Correct. Not only that, but keeping a journal is sort of like keeping a diary. It is a very good way of talking to yourself and in the process, solving problems.
MEGAN: Well, I have kept one on and off. Do you recommend recording every dream or just the ones that stand out?
THERRY: It's up to you. It doesn't necessarily have to be just dreams--it could be experiences as you walk your path.
MEGAN: I had some questions I had written up awhile ago and after reviewing them, I would still like to ask them. I think in the last year or so, since the restaurant opened, you had published something about axioms that were given out to people. There were a few statements that I didn't understand. It said, "We comprehend man's existence as a vehicle within which fallen angels might once again find grace."
Does that have to do with finding the window again? Are the fallen angels all the ones who are trapped?
THERRY: Yes. There has to be a mechanism for us to return. Man is that vehicle.
MEGAN: That makes sense. And the same document was saying, "We purge emotions from ourselves yet call upon them for mobility." Do we have to be somewhat imbalanced or have conflict in order to change?
THERRY: Though that is usually the case, what that is saying is that you have to tailor your emotions so that you are in control and not them.
MEGAN: Meaning you use logic and then you can call upon an emotion as a tool.
THERRY: No, your emotions will and must continue to speak with you. But they should not be king of the hill.
MEGAN: Okay. Did you say that a condition of being imbalanced has to be there in order to change, because if you felt that everything was fine, you wouldn't be motivated to do any sort of changing?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: And this Earth experience gives us plenty of imbalance, I imagine, or conflict. Then in the Discovery, you were talking about in a session with some students that humans are not naturally emotional. I thought because we were human, emotions came with us. So, the statement doesn't make sense to me.
THERRY: Well, that's from the point-of-view that we are not native to the physical. And emotions are native to physical.
MEGAN: Oh, that goes back to spiritual beings having a physical experience?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Okay. So, the emotions come with this level or it doesn't really come with us, per se.
THERRY: Right.
MEGAN: I am kind of in a fog about the idea of individuality versus coming together as unity. Is there a sequence of developments somehow wherein lifetimes you have to first work on yourself and then you can work toward the whole? Or does it all work at the same time ?
THERRY: The law is you must walk the Road to Self before you can find the Road to Unity.
MEGAN: So, just because we are born with a claim to uniqueness doesn't make us know who we are.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: So, would you say that you would be putting the cart before the horse if you tried to work toward Unity if you didn't know who you were?
THERRY: You couldn't.
MEGAN: You couldn't? So, what about here at Arkashea, for instance? If I need to know more about myself, it that what is happening? That I need to work on myself first?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: Is that an isolated type of thing? Because since I am in a community by fact, I am sort of working in the Unity area too?
THERRY: Yeah. You are taking care of your needs as they come.
MEGAN: I remember when I had my ceremony for an Observer, Tim had mentioned to think about the fact you kinda have to stop walking away from your individual side and look toward the whole. But you are saying there are aspects of...that I need to know myself a little better. What does that mean, to know myself better?
THERRY: What do you think it means?
MEGAN: Well, probably in my case, to accept myself more. Maybe to know how I react to certain situations or basically, loving myself and being accepting of who I am. Somehow I am not sure that is right. But I know I don't live in a vacuum. None of us do. So, I know it has to be by interacting with others that I get to know myself better as well. Are these all true then?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: So, what does it mean when you hear the psychology of today that one is self-actualized? Is that what we are looking for?
THERRY: You know your place in the sun and you are contented with it. You pursue things that interest you. You don't need to be prodded. You don't have to depend on others to find contentment.
MEGAN: So, it's not that outward looking for approval thing. It's the inward feeling that you are okay and you are content in and of yourself. That's to be a real individual.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: By studying with Arkashea and being here, is that a guarantee that that can happen?
THERRY: There are no guarantees. But it increases the chances of success.
MEGAN: So then there is actually a sequence of development in that you have to walk before you run.
THERRY: Yeah, but you determine what that is.
MEGAN: What the sequence is?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: How so?
THERRY: Only you know your needs.
MEGAN: I determine how I want to grow, but is it Arkashea that determines if the needs are really needs or just desires? A kind of guidance?
THERRY: That's one possibility.
MEGAN: Okay. What are others?
THERRY: There are many. It depends on the individual.
MEGAN: Can you give me an example or two?
THERRY: Well, a lot of times the process of checking with the teacher is not so much to find out if you are on the right track, but a process of obtaining permission to continue doing what you are doing because you are not certain as to what you want to do. So, if you are not certain, by checking with the teacher, that way you get approval or acceptance.
MEGAN: So, are you saying that that is not recommended?
THERRY: I am simply answering the question that you asked. I am not saying it's good or not so good.
MEGAN: You are saying that it is a pattern that some people have to come and get the approval and the acceptance from the teacher.
THERRY: Yeah. And for them, that is part of their growth.
MEGAN: I think that is where I have missed the boat before. I think knowing that my teacher is here, but I am not taking advantage of speaking to you as often as I had questions, that probably was not helpful to me. I think that being here I would confer or talk to you more. The other counselors are teachers as well, right?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: So, when is the time...I know there are certain steps with the Observer and the Delegate. For instance, the Delegate level, is that when you start moving more toward giving up your individuality and moving toward the whole?
THERRY: Yes. The Delegate level is the last stage of becoming a Citizen. That's when you no longer have desires to go off and do things on your own.
MEGAN: Could it be possible that there may be times that as people get older that they re-evaluate along the way?
THERRY: Yeah.
MEGAN: Okay. The outside world may look kind of interesting, but they don't go that way. I have been noticing since coming back, that a lot of us are getting into our 40s and a lot of people joined early in life, so I feel a little bit of the questioning, "Oh, I wonder what it would have been like if I had been out there all these years." Not per se leaving or questioning being here, but just a sort of re-evaluation of looking ....
THERRY: I don't think that is happening.
MEGAN: No? I guess I am looking at it wrong.
THERRY: It could easily be that in the conversation that they happen to mention that they might imagine what they would have been like if they hadn't come here, but that does not come true to mean that they are re-evaluating and wondering if they should have been here in the first place.
MEGAN: I was just wondering if it was by virtue of the fact that we all go through those life stages where, you know, people in their forties take stock of their life and they say, "Okay, I am glad I made this choice." But they do, in fact, re-evaluate it.
THERRY: Yeah. That's done all the time.
MEGAN: I have heard you say there is synthesis learning or that you can learn from another's experience. You can bypass a lot of your own trouble if you can learn from another. And I was wondering if you can... Is there a difference between knowing and experiencing? You don't necessarily have to experience?
THERRY: Correct. You experience it vicariously.
MEGAN: So, could that take a form of say, a movie or it could be a person that you are actually talking to or involved with?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Books?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: So, the ultimate state is not experiencing something?
THERRY: It is not necessary to experience anything. It is only necessary to have the wisdom as though you had experienced it.
MEGAN: Okay. That must be like when people throw at you, "Oh, you don't know what's it's like. You have never been an alcoholic or something." But then you say, "I don't have to be. I can still know and have the wisdom to know it wouldn't be a good path to take."
THERRY: That's correct.
MEGAN: Synthesis learning. Is there any other information on that?
THERRY: No. Synthesis learning is a very rare tool. Few people use it. But it is one of the tools that are available.
MEGAN: Yes. I was wondering if it was used a lot. Okay, I have a question about free will. Does each entity have complete free will as he or she enters their first cycle in Maya?
THERRY: No one has complete free will. The best that you can have is relative free will.
MEGAN: Relative to what?
THERRY: Relative to the game that is being played.
MEGAN: Even if it is your first time down here?
THERRY: It is still a game.
MEGAN: So, you have traded some of it off already. But is it true that as you experience more and more lifetimes you would trade in a portion of your free will for Predestiny as you go because you get more trapped?
THERRY: Yes. The first law of illusion says that everybody will have the opportunity to sell themselves. If they take that opportunity, they will lie, they will cheat, they will steal, they will sell all of themselves and a part of their ideals to achieve what they think they need in any given situation. And that is the perfect Predestiny.
MEGAN: So, a person could literally lose all his or her free will. Would that make them an Oblivionite at that point?
THERRY: No, a prop. It is unlikely that that will happen. Even though it is possible that it could happen, it is unlikely.
MEGAN: How does one continue to have the free will and not trade it all off? By making good choices?
THERRY: Exactly.
MEGAN: There's a statement in several passages I've seen that says, "One can gaze into the eyes of the Hound-of-Hell." Is that what is meant by looking at yourself honestly?
THERRY: Yes. Via your teacher.
MEGAN: So, there are those who may come to see you or another teacher and they come and stay once and they don't want to look anymore because it is too hard or it is too painful.
THERRY: Yes. Because what they see interrupts the choices they have already made. It is a case of they tell themselves and their teacher, "Look, I have already got my mind made up. Don't come here trying to confuse me with facts and truths."
MEGAN: Okay. But there can be a lab sometime where a person comes initially and then comes back later, they can reconsider and try again?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: I want to ask about goals. I remember the other day, I asked about, "What kind of goals should I set up?" And you said goals are not really helpful because you can live in the here and now and if you are content and aligned with your value system, things should be fine. But is there ever a place for goals such as in business or someone's career path, a 5-year plan to get from point A to B?
THERRY: But they shouldn't be used as the absolutes. They should be used as guide points, as reality checks along the way.
MEGAN: Okay. Not absolutes in the sense of if you don't attain it, you won't be completely devastated or... But Tim once told me this that it is one of the goals in this existence to be comfortable in all situations. That is true?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Would that also refer to people being comfortable with you also?
THERRY: No, few people are comfortable with me.
MEGAN: So, you just look at it if you are comfortable. Is this where the chameleon thing comes into play?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Is there any particular way to work on something like that?
THERRY: It's up to the individual.
MEGAN: So, you can just come in and get specifics for your own situations?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Okay. I then had a question about...if there are Arkasheans who have learned the teachings fully for the most part and wisdom can be taken with us to succeeding lifetimes, what is the purpose of the Ark of Fire? To retain the knowledge? I thought if it was within each of us....
THERRY: The Ark of Fire is so that man can continue on the planet.
MEGAN: I don't know what you mean. Like preserving things?
THERRY: What does it mean to continue living (inaudible)...
MEGAN: Sounds like a sanctuary or a place to store, no, not store, to preserve wisdom.
THERRY: What's the good of having wisdom preserved if man does not exist anymore?
MEGAN: Oh, okay, so it is actually a physical vehicle to preserve?
THERRY: We've had a number of arks. We've had the Ark of Land. We've had the Ark of Water. Now we are looking at the Ark of Fire.
MEGAN: The Ark of Water being Noah's, I imagine, with the floods. But the Ark of Land? What would that be?
THERRY: It's moot, since the subject is the Ark of Fire.
MEGAN: So, it would be a parallel to the Ark of Water in the sense of preserving or taking entities aboard. Would it also be for preservation of basic living skills?
THERRY: Whatever comes with Man.
MEGAN: And Ark of Fire because it will be a fire this time?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Was the primary condition under the Alliance of the Rule agreeing to be placed under Karma?
THERRY: It is not the main one. It is just one of them.
MEGAN: And are the rest more specific to the individuals?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Are there any other conditions that are more across the board for each individual as Karma is?
THERRY: There's no answer for that question.
MEGAN: I don't know why there would be no answer for that question.
THERRY: It is so varied. But you do have to allow yourself to be drafted as a pawn in somebody else's game. You have to place yourself under the Laws of Creation and abide by all of them.
MEGAN: Even if you don't know what they are or are not aware of them because the veils are down?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: There was a Lexicon entry on the New Covenant. There's a statement which says, "The ability to cry for love is essential if one is to make full use of the wisdoms which Other-World Teachers convey." I didn't understand "the ability to cry for love".
THERRY: There's the burden of time's wisdom. There's the condition of pain that comes out of bad choices and then there's the condition of pain that comes from the recognition of various things. It's where the individual sees and views the ramification out of love and the pain that's attached.
MEGAN: And it is love for the all, not just love of self?
THERRY: Correct. That usually happens when one is visiting the State of Love.
MEGAN: Is that statement also saying that if you can't, you don't have the ability at that point to try for love for the all, that you are not going to make full use of the teachings at this time?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: If someone has accomplished the goal of enlightenment, let's say, can they...
THERRY: That's a relative goal.
MEGAN: Can they remain in physical form?
THERRY: Of course. Remember nobody leaves until everybody leaves.
MEGAN: So, a person who may in any given lifetime attain that realization, do they become a servant of the Universe?
THERRY: Sometimes, but they still work on themselves. They are not perfect.
MEGAN: Then what does one mean when they say, you know, there are enlightened beings? I mean they talk about it in Buddhism.
THERRY: They know more than they knew before, but they still don't know it all
MEGAN: So, then it is all relative. There isn't a certain level they have to reach and they say, AHHH! Is it also true that once a person has reached this enlightened state they don't really live in it all the time and that veils are dropped?
THERRY: I don't think so. I think it is simply a case of them using their free-will to choose whatever game they are going to play.
MEGAN: That's what I mean. If a person went through an experience that changed them greatly, and they had an ecstatic sort of feeling, they wouldn't be able to maintain that unto forever while they are in this physical level, correct?
THERRY: Correct. Life would continue. But a higher experience would certainly give them one new set of laws to govern themselves by.
MEGAN: So, it is not in the order of things that someone would continue to be Ah-ha for the rest of their lives. They have other work to do.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: I was reading this entry on "Earth--Just One of Many." This sounded really interesting, but I didn't understand a lot of it. It spoke about the family of Man and there are many branches of the tree? So, it's different problems are being worked on. And it says there are more than one branch of the tree on our planet. But what type of problems? Some people may be working on possessiveness. Some people may be working on anger. Is that what you mean? O.K, it said specifically this planet works on negative emotions which result in the game of war. Is this where it is happening at the worst level?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Is this from person to person as well as nation to nation?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: And there was a list of do's and don'ts about trying to bring in control of your emotions. And there was just a few... I didn't understand. There was one on, ' Emotions must never be the source of behavior.' Does that mean acting out what you are feeling and thinking?
THERRY: Your emotions should not rule you. They should be a tool that gives you information and nothing more.
MEGAN: Being a tool you would look within yourself and say, 'How am I feeling? How is the circumstance causing me to look at something?' And then you think about it first and then...
THERRY: You listen to what the emotions are telling you.
MEGAN: And then act after you have thought about it....ideally.
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: And then there was the term, 'Place your shoulds above your wants and don't let laziness get in the way of your shoulds.' Shoulds are another word for needs?
THERRY: Things that you should do as opposed to things you want to do. A perfect example is if you are going to school, you should study, but you want to go to the party that's going on next door.
MEGAN: So, we're talking about delayed gratification here--just getting things done you have to first. I guess I have always had a negative connotation of what shoulds are just because in our society it says not to be dictated by shoulds because then you are not living fully.
THERRY: Well, it can't be needs because nobody has a need to go to school. Nobody has a need to study. But the definition of needs, if you don't have them fulfilled, you die. Shoulds does not equate to needs. It equates to just what they are--shoulds.
MEGAN: There was a negative connotation I had about them.
THERRY: Well, that's part of growing up--to get rid of a lot of taboos that are useless.
MEGAN: In communication with yourself. And one was, 'Hold your language sacred.' What does that mean?
THERRY: Just what it says.
MEGAN: Does that mean no cussing? I don't know what it means.
THERRY: Part of the communication process is to have a one-to-one relationship between a label and its definition. If you start betraying that one-to one ratio, then you are corrupting your language so that by the time you are finished corrupting it, you won't know what the hell it is you are talking about when you speak to yourself. Stay away from the that crap. That only serves to confuse and compound language.
MEGAN: So, in a sense, keep it simple and just look at things for what they are and communicate to yourself in that way. Does that also fall under the idea of second guessing when you may observe something and you label it, but then you second guess it and manipulate it.
THERRY: Things are seldom the way they appear to be. There are an awful lot of assumptions being made in observations. And usually they are off. That is the source of prejudice. And your emotions add to that and that becomes the source of biases.
MEGAN: So, you are saying when you observe something, what kind of thoughts should you have in your mind?
THERRY: There's no answer to that. Everybody has a different need, based on their values and observations and truth.
MEGAN: So, it has to be an ongoing process on your track record of seeing if things are accurate or not and adjusting. These symbols that are in the Descent and the Family of Man...
THERRY: Oh, yeah. Those are all part of the Magic Circle.
MEGAN: I guess maybe I should first read about the Magic Circle because ...
THERRY: Yeah, they deal with life.
MEGAN: That's an Ankh there, isn't it?
THERRY: I can't see it, but it's possible.
MEGAN: I just don't have any clue about these. Would it be better to read about these first or look at them? Do they need explanation? What do they need for me to understand them?
THERRY: They don't need anything. Because you are not really going to use them.
MEGAN: So, just to know they exist...
THERRY: Yes. But there's a lot more than just what is on that page.
MEGAN: What do you mean? More symbols or more to each of them?
THERRY: More symbols.
MEGAN: How do they manifest?
THERRY: They are simply laws that govern.
MEGAN: Okay and is this a visual of the law that governs? Yeah, I know I have seen pages of these before. How did they come about though? I mean, do they come through channels and you see them?
THERRY: All that is moot for you. You don't have enough information yet.
MEGAN: It says, 'There is much speculation that humans are not native to this specific planet.'
THERRY: That is correct.
MEGAN: 'Some would say man has been puddle jumping from planet to planet.' Correct?
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: And I didn't understand this comment, 'The unnaturals are no longer with us in the physical sense, but they are still with us in an emotional sense.' I wasn't sure of the emotional sense.
THERRY: The emotions carry on even though the physical is not there.
MEGAN: There'd be something unnatural ...
THERRY: Now, obviously, you are taking something out of its context. There was a time when copulation with other species were possible; such that one would prefer to copulate with the life forms that would cross into the next species, such as the beings of mythology. Those were the unnaturals. Nature separates species so that they are no longer able to procreate. They were able to have physical sex.
MEGAN: Then I was confused in the last paragraph before it goes into describing the Descent... it says, 'There will be those that argue for the Old Way. They believe that the true beginnings of the species Man can be found in the chronicles of Man's Descent.' So are you saying there's one theory that has to do with the scientist and the unnaturals and the other is the Descent theory? Does Arkashea adhere to the Descent theory?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: So, the other one is just a mythological theory or legendary?
THERRY: Well, we accept that.
MEGAN: So, accept both?
THERRY: Yes, we accept the time of legends.
MEGAN: So, the Descent is just man coming into the physical experience and within that, this experience with the rogue scientists could have happened?
THERRY: Yes. Basically, it is nothing more than playing with people's genes. We are beginning to do that all over again.
MEGAN: Right. Right. I was just thinking... One little minor question--the Titans that you speak of, as far as the time period, did they exist before Lemuria or Atlantis?
THERRY: At the very beginning of those times.
MEGAN: Can you define the Law of the Moment? Is that the one about ratifying the past and serving the needs of the present and writing the script for the future?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Because the document was saying that the Affinity Factor being a subset force of that? It also mentions, which I didn't understand, 'The individual's predestined changes are all recorded in the third Auric Chakra.' Does that have to do with the chakras we know? What is the third one?
THERRY: Behind the knees.
MEGAN: That's the seat of the individual's mobility factor.
THERRY: Correct.
MEGAN: Can the third Auric Chakra be read by certain people?
THERRY: Yes.
MEGAN: Well, I will just have to come back to it. I think that is all I am going to do today.