Arkashean Q&A Session -- 033

THERRY: Now then, Before Christianity's Garden of Eden came into being, long before Christianity itself came into being, there was a garden, but it was a different garden. For the lack of a better term, it was an Arkashean garden. The residents of that garden were not limited to just humans and plants. They were in fact the entire continuum of the life force, and the mind force. And Death was the keeper. The garden, of course, existed within Castle-Keep, and therefore, a part of the garden existed in all 144 various dimensions, and all veins of creation, and in all, death was the keeper. And, in those days of old, it was said that death would walk his garden, and as he walked, he would prune, but he would not prune indiscriminately, for Death, too must follow Recursive Dialusion. It was said that Death would watch, stand by, and when he found any specific life form who became Holy, then he would guard that life form. Again, for the purpose of this tale, let's understand the term Holy as we're using it. One must bear in mind that it is not necessary to be perfect to be holy; you need only be a little less barbaric than everyone else around you. Therefore, if you became a little bit less barbaric, you became holy in the eyes of Death. Anyway, getting back to the tale, the tale, incidentally is called The Song of Death; anyway, let me continue singing. As Death walked the garden, he would prune, and as he found the individual life forms to be more holy, he would come to protect them. And it was resolved that more of this kind would be propagated, and thus their numbers increased, and when there came a time when there was enough of this new kind, Death would prune and the old would die, and only the new kind would survive. Now, Death would not prune all of the old kind, he would always leave one or two in order to have the original stock, even though it meant that that one or two could often corrupt some of the new stock, it was necessary to keep some of them. But more than not, the old would die. And when we say the old now, it is not strictly chronological age; it was the old, barbaric type, the unholy man, or the unholy life. As opposed to the new, holy one. And, over time, each life form began to evolve, through reincarnation. And as more of this continued, a bond came into being between the various residents of the garden, and then with time, peace came into being; a measure of tranquility came into being. Honor came into being, and now, we're working on love. It is said that soon, Death will walk again, and there'll be another major pruning. Thus is the song of Death. Okay?

TUNA: When you say, He'll walk again, major pruning, you mean a war, something that will wipe out most of the civilization?

THERRY: Well, I don't know about most, but it will certainly thin the garden quite a bit.

TUNA: And, by getting rid of the old ones, and allowing the new ones, the young ones to come in, that

THERRY: Now, don't make a mistake in using your language by using the word `young' to equate the opposite of the word old, because, in language, you are now speaking of chronological age, and this is not where it applies. When you're using `the old ones' --

TUNA: Oh, you mean older ideas, more barbaric?

THERRY: Right, the more barbaric of the specie.

TUNA: And if they are removed, then they come back again with the opportunity to do the same, be in the same exact, older state again --

THERRY: According to reincarnation, they learn on other levels, and then they come back, and if they are threatening to bring the old ways back again, then they are killed again.

TUNA: It sounds like, I mean, it's the individual's own free-will to put themselves in that position, it just seems that this sounds so different in that death picks and chooses, that type of thing.

THERRY: Yea, but it's done by law. Death is only the keeper. He's not the deciding factor. So, you can't make the statement, `death picks and chooses', cause that's not true. Death is simply the instrument of law.

TUNA: I thought that, for instance, there's Karma for a country, there's Karma for a town, a group, a world, etc. and that if the Karma for the planet is for it to get itself blown up, nobody's going to be spared. Isn't that true?

THERRY: That would be find and dandy if you thought this was the only planet that was a corner of the garden.

TUNA: I just thought that some people had to survive in order to keep ideas going; I mean, if everybody's gone, there's none to try and start it up again on this planet, they go to another one where everything's already going --

THERRY: Well, let's look at it from a different point of view, just for the fun of it. Let's play a questioning what-if. Would you agree that it is apparent on this planet that there is more than one kind of dog? There's more than one kind of plant? What if there was more than one kind of man? And, what if the garden was divided so that each had his own little corner of the garden, such that man as we know the specie to be, was on the planet Earth, but man, another specie, would be on a different planet, and so on. That makes it a different point of view now, right?

TUNA: Well, I'm not sure. To be reincarnated onto a different planet, as a different type of man, a different species --

THERRY: Well, the point is your original point of view puts such a great importance, universally, upon man who resides upon THIS planet, when, in fact, he's relatively very unimportant.

TUNA: You mean on this planet.

THERRY: The whole planet is very unimportant, relatively. It is possible for this planet, and the specie of man that exists upon it, could be totally obliterated, and have no effect whatsoever on the Universal forces. It is man's own arrogance who places such importance upon himself. He finds himself to be SO arrogant, that he really believes he is so important that the Universe wouldn't allow him to kill himself off. And hence the history of this specie man is one of blood. But the law tells us that Death is the keeper, and when it comes time, he will get rid of the old, and if this specie of man happens to be among those old, then he will be obliterated. Man will either live together, or he will die together.

TUNA: This specie of man is obliterated, yet all the entities will go to other planets and work on themselves, on different planets, in different incarnations --

THERRY: They will have to go to oblivion.

TUNA: Oh, that's what you mean by the `old ones', because not necessarily every individual on this planet --

THERRY: Correct. But if, persay, the entire planet is obliterated, then the entire planet goes to oblivion. Man, this species, won't be in existence anymore.

TUNA: But the different entities, they don't --

THERRY: The different sparks of life, the life essence will go to oblivion, and it will follow the law of Oblivionites.

TUNA: So all of us will go to oblivion if this planet gets blown up?

THERRY: Yea. Again, maybe not. When the pruning comes, those who are ready will be of the new kind.

TUNA: Will go to another planet and be a different type of specie.

THERRY: Whatever. See, the form doesn't matter. You're thinking in terms that the Ka, or the shape and form of the Ka is important, and it's not.

CORA: Can you talk about it at all?

THERRY: What is it you want?

CORA: I guess I want to understand it more. What is it that I see when I see that? Is it a higher part of herself, or is it a part of herself that touched Death?

THERRY: Maybe it's a part of each individual who are not bound to the limits of earth. Maybe that part of you and that part of her that is non-physical are interacting. It's not surprising.

CORA: Why isn't it surprising?

THERRY: Because if you go up high enough, we're all just one.

CORA: She thinks I'm weird, but she likes me.

THERRY: Uh-huh; religious differences.

CORA: Is that the part of her that thinks I'm weird?

CARL: mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt; layout-grid-mode:Is there a way of knowing more of the death process while we still live?

THERRY: Let us say that individual X lives in New York... as a Male; as such, he always wears a black suit [he wears that black suit because that's the suit he was born with]. After a time, let's say fifty years, individual X's black suit is old, torn apart, and totally worn out; it is so worn out that it is now unfit to continue being worn.

Because individual X's suit is worn out and can no longer be used in New York, individual X must now move to another place; he has no choice in the matter, because the laws of New York say that once the suit in which you were born becomes worn out, you must move out of New York.

Let's say that because of that law, individual X decides to move to Florida. Also, in the process of moving from New York to Florida, individual X finds that he need not remain a Male... and, he need not choose to be reborn in a black suit. He can become a Female in a white suit if he chooses--so, he does.

Now then, for the simplistic explanation of The Death Process: let's say that individual X's physical body was that black suit within which he was born. It is worn out and can no longer support individual X's life process. The Death Process is, in fact, the process of moving from New York to Florida. During the actual move (the process of dying) individual X simply abandoned his old, worn-out black suit (his physical body) and took on another suit (the new, white, female body) when he got to Florida (the level of his next Earth experience). Since he has moved and left his old black suit (his old body) behind, the individuals who are still in New York are left with the chore of disposing individual X's old black suit (the dead body) by either burying it, or by burning it, as the custom demands.

However to individual X who is now living Florida, his next level of experience, the disposition of his own black suit (a dead body), an empty shell of what he once was, is of little importance. He is far too busy dealing with the affairs of his, in this case, her, because during the move, he changed from a male to a female new drama. The old him who once lived in New York, may or may not be a passing memory. Life must and will go on. That is the law of continuity.

As for the actual experience of the process of dying, there is sometimes a fear because of the unknown. That fear of the known will usually make the process more painful, because of the stories of damnation, which comes from Earth's existing religions. To the degree that an individual refuses to let go of the illusions of his Earth Experience upon that level, to the degree that an individual refuses to let go of the illusions of his husband, his friend, his family, his son, his daughter, his grandchildren, of any of that life's illusions, then to that degree will the process become painful and fearful.

If an individual truly accepts the death process, much of which is the letting go of that life's illusions, to that degree will an overwhelmingly peace filled with love, take him to his next life's experience. He discovers that death is not the real end. It is just the new beginning. Only the illusions of the past life have ended. There is a beauty in the process of the Death Experience that is both in the same self-moment angelic and demonic.

If we remember that time and space as we know it, is telescopic, then it becomes easier to understand that our illusions and the games which are played within each respective illusion, being symbols of a language unto themselves, can easily be modified by the language which we use to describe them. This process comes from the power of language itself. Remember the law, it states that there is a special power to language, which comes from the fact that it, language is one of the many tools that the species man uses to communicate to others of their kind. True, that is indeed power, but it and of itself, is not the true power of language. The true power of language comes from the fact that language is the only tool that the species man has with which to communicate to himself.

Again, this brings to mind another law. More or less it states that an individual's illusions are the driving force of his reality and within that respective reality, it is the level of observation that creates the respective phenomenon. This becomes important during the death process because it is the very factor which will determine the experience of any given individual will have during that "Taint" that we call 'The in between time"...that time that the respective individual is neither alive, nor is he truly dead. As a matter of fact, it can be said that all the real happenings of the death process happens in this in between time. The A Happenings of the in between time can be both very frightening or very peaceful depending on the individual's willingness to give up the attachments to the games which belongs to the life that is now ending.

In any case, regardless of if an individual refuses to give up the attachments to the games of his now ending life, or if the individual willingly gives up the attachment to the games which belongs to the life that is now ending, he will encounter Other World Teachers. Here comes a big difference to the individual that is in the process of dying. If he willingly gives up his attachments to the games that belong to the life that is now ending, he will view his Other World Teachers image in a friendly form. The form or the personage will depend on the nature of the individual's spirituality. The Other World Teacher could come in the form of a parent, a relative, an old friend, a new friend or some image that belongs to the individual's origin. Regardless of form which the other world teacher takes, the individual will be led or placed upon the path which will lead him from his present life to his next life, be that next life be on the same level as the last life or be it upon a totally different level of experience.

In any case, the dying individual will know within himself, when he approaches the Double Gate, which leads out of the in-between, which leads to the next level of experience. For some this Double Gate comes in the form of a door. To some it comes in the form of a bridge, wherein the bridge has a point of no-return, wherein one side of the point resides in the in-between time and the other point resides out of the illusion of his life, which is ended.

However, if the individual refuses to give up his attachments to the games which belong to the life that is ending, the Other World Teachers will be viewed as demons or harpies, who plagues him with experiences that which are in and of themselves designed to force him to rid himself to attachments to the games which belongs to the life that is in the process of ending. It can be said that this in-between time is indeed a hell of dreams. During this time, in the hell of his own thoughts, of his own creation of his own dreams, the laws of a new reality take hold.

While it is true that the individual views his Other World Teachers as demons and harpies, in truth they are not. Simply put, their images forms come from the individual's own mind. They take on the image of the individual's fears, of the individual's hates and the individual's desires. As the individual is slowly forced to change, to give up attachments to the games which belong to the life that is in the process of ending, because of the horror of in-between times experienced, he does not view this change as the process of growth. At least not at first.

It must be remembered that the dying individual is in a very species type of hell, albeit a hell of his own making. It is because of the hell-type experience which he is forced to experience that he views the change that is taking place in him, as a process wherein the harpies are driving him to the very demons of his fears, demons that always rip away a part of his mind, a part of his dreams, a part of his memories, and thus a part of his life. It is not until the ending of his in-between time hell that the individual comes to realize that what he thought were harpies and demons are in truth, friends and/or spiritual beings who are in the process of teaching him how to leave the old life behind.

THERRY: What?

CORA: I just wanted to ascertain from what I heard if is it just a matter of the mix of an individual's attitudes--like if their attitude is one of letting go, then their future will appear to be kindly to them, but if not they have any fear on their part at all, then their teacher may appear to be a harpy or something like that. Is that correct?

THERRY: Almost. The part that is not correct is when you limit your thinking process to if there is fear in their heart. It's not limited to that. It could be any of the strong ties to the games that we all play.

CORA: So fear is just one thing that it could be.

THERRY: Yes.

CORA: If a person is on his deathbed and they are thinking, "okay, I know that I need to let go, I know that I have to be ready" and they start preparing themselves mentally at least and they pretty much have things together. Will that really-- will that make all the difference when they die, or is it stuff that is not even conscious on the other part that takes over.?

THERRY: It depends on the individual. If an individual has a habit of being truthful to themselves, then what they say will really be what they truly think and feel.

CORA: All the way to the bottom of the road?

THERRY: Right. But if an individual has a habit of being deceptive and dishonest to themselves, then quite often, what they say is not what they really think and feel. But in that state it is what you really think and feel that will govern, not what you say. The lies that you tell to yourself simply add pain to it, simply because it makes it more difficult for you to deal with what you really think.

CORA: I have another question. The teachers that come to you that appear in the form of a harpy or a--

THERRY: Excuse me a minute. Okay, go ahead--

CORA: Do they have in themselves any feeling, "gee, I wish I didn't have to appear as a harpy to this person?"

THERRY: No, they operate solely out of love and the need for the situation.

CORA: So it's totally not up to them at all.

THERRY: Well, when you say, totally not up to them.

CORA: its like they have to appear as a harpy if they have that negative attachment on your part.

THERRY: Its not they who are controlled by it, it's you. It is the dying individual who controls the form in which they will appear. They, themselves, retain their own form.

CORA: As I was reading this thing, that's why I looked back at it, it must be remembered that the dying individual is in a very special type of hell. Is that all of dying individuals? Even the spiritual?

THERRY: Yeah, they are in the hell of their own thoughts. It's part of the dying process to go into the in-between time. The in-between time is the form--

TINA: Is this Hades that you once talked about.

THERRY: No, Hades is afterwards.

TINA: Hades is afterwards? It's like a way station you could say.

THERRY: Yeah. It's the in-between time is in fact the barrier that keeps you within the illusion. A placental type barrier that exists between this illusion and your next illusion.

TINA: Its not positive or something... according to this. Even if you're spiritual?

THERRY: Well, it can be positive. It depends on what is really inside you.

TINA: Okay. You don't necessarily have to go through the hell of your own thoughts.

THERRY: Yeah, you do.

TINA: Oh, you still do.

THERRY: Even though it's the hell of your own thoughts, to the degree that you harbor good thoughts, to the degree you don't encounter all these demons. To the degree that you do harbor strong attachments to the old games, to that degree must you go through an experience whereby you have to learn to let them go. In some cases, an individual has such an exceedingly strong attachments to the old games that they could remain in their in-between time almost forever. Under that condition, then the OtherWorld Teacher must then force you to reincarnate into the same experience that you just left, because you refuse to let go of the strong ties, in which case you're--. Your reincarnation is a part of the former life's in-between time.

TINA: So when you pass from the hell of your own thoughts into Hades, do you have the memory?

THERRY: It all depends on your possibility / accountability factor. Some people have an internal memory of their previous experiences, but it comes through in the form of hunches or just knowing without necessarily knowing the language that was attached to the original. It's an internal knowing.

TINA: Are there veils that drop before you go into HADES?

THERRY: There are veils that are dropped and there are veils that are lifted.

TINA: But not the same?

THERRY: Not necessarily. It depends on the Alliance of the Rule.

TINA: --which we individually chose under the Alliance of the Rule according to karma?

THERRY: Yeah. Even with free will.

TINA: As much free will as we'll ever have?

THERRY: In short, you can't just come down to this level to go browsing. You usually come down with a specific experience in mind.

CORA: You just said that the life after the one that you have--after the one that you refuse to let go--and it's the same life, but its actually part of the life before. Does that mean that you're still the in-between time place?

THERRY: Yes. But in that in-between time you've gone through the process of reincarnation. Remember it follows the pattern of a box within a box, within a box. Each box is unique unto itself.

TINA: This religious process-- Judaism, but in Catholicism, of the hell, there is a hell, but we call it the hell of your own thoughts.

THERRY: There is a hell but the way that religions, teachers, they don't teach it in the form of reality. They teach it and they use it as a tool for political mind bending.

TINA: I know, burn, burn--

THERRY: Yes, as a consequence, it creates a lot of harm.

TINA: But in fact, we do have to separate...the hell of your own thoughts is probably worse than being burned alive. That can be where we see where our thoughts have been.

THERRY: Yeah, but there's no way that you can equate them.

TINA: I just can't?

THERRY: No. Because it is simply a case of you holding unto things that you can't have, a perfect example of that would be some of the games that people are playing within this life. For instance, she refuses to let go of certain demands and expectations towards certain people. While because that demand is present, she's in a certain degree of pain, which is totally different from you being in a pit of fire where you're burning under all of eternity. I mean the two just don't equate.

TINA: So at the moment, say she dies in the next five seconds, the certain pain that she has right now would be the equivalent between in this in-between.

THERRY: Yeah.

TINA: And would it be for the equivalent reasons then?

THERRY: Yes.

TINA: It would be?

THERRY: Yes.

TINA: Oh.

THERRY: And OtherWorld Teachers would seek to help her move away from those games. If they could not, then the OtherWorld Teachers would force a reincarnation into that game.

TINA: Do most people know that they are somewhere else when they're in this in-between?

THERRY: No, there's a reality to it that's all of its own.

TINA: So, you're average person, not your Arkashean person, would they think that they went to sleep one night and they're waking up in this...?

THERRY: It all depends on the individual. See there's no blanket pattern that applies to absolutely everybody across the board.

CORA: You mean you know you've died in some times?

THERRY: Some people don't know that they have. Others do.

JIM: These entities that act as guides, do they just live their lives in this in-between time place, waiting for people to die so that they can serve as guides?

THERRY: Not necessarily. As a mystical traveler travels to various zones, he becomes in the service of that zone, and once the task that he is to perform in that zone has ended or during the process of serving that soul, he has his own set of experiences over and apart from the service of that zone.

CORA: Would it be possible that you would serve as such a guide even though you're here teaching us and doing other things, somebody like you could serve as a guide in that kind of situation.

THERRY: I do that.

JIM: So when we croak you will be around to greet us?

THERRY: Well, let's put it this way, when you croak I may go ha, ha, ha! And you thought you could get away. (Laughter)

JIM: Maybe we shouldn't take--

THERRY: I miss the natural comic books--

TINA: Some people, nice people but who are not involved in Arkashea, I mean where do they think they go. Do they think they're sleeping or do they think that they're dead?

THERRY: Doesn't that depend on the people?

TINA: So they go to wherever their mind is?

THERRY: There is only one subset of laws that governs each level of experience and it doesn't matter who is resident in that experience, that same subset of laws governs them. If an individual is serving one belief system or another, that is independent from the fact that what really governs them is the subset of laws that governs the level within which they are resident.

JIM: So if somebody belongs to a religion and they don't believe in reincarnation, and they don't believe in any of this stuff--

THERRY: Well, let's put it this way, okay, if there's a raindrop and you believe that you can run between raindrops, then you don't need another raindrop, That doesn't change the fact that these people outside will get wet.

JIM: So are a lot of people generally surprised when they die?

THERRY: They usually have one hell of a shock.

TINA: Well, I would think they have more of a shock when they're alive, because they're still aware.

THERRY: See the biggest shock comes because of what they must experience in their in-between time.

CORA: Humans and their harpies.

THERRY: It doesn't matter what you tell yourselves. The reality of the last level will always have the last say.

JIM: Will they generally realize that they're dead?

THERRY: Not always. Sometimes, one fine day, poof, the demons and harpies are there and they don't know where it comes from and they are so frightened that all they can do is run away. Hell, the insane asylums were filled with that type of people.

JIM: When we have dreams in an alter-reality experience, you said that this was exactly the same as in the death process except that when you dream you wake up?

THERRY: Yes.

CORA: Those often don't feel frightening at all, they feel really pleasant.

THERRY: Some.

CORA: And so the death process could be just like one of those experiences.

THERRY: Yes

CORA: Does it depend on where your mind is at death, the time, assuming you had a life of being fairly fearless and all the other good constituents, and then toward the latter part of your life or the moment when you're dying, you were in a completely different head or thought process?

THERRY: No. The phrase, your life flashes before you is significant. During the in-between time, you do indeed have to defend your life.

JIM: Is it like in that movie?

THERRY: Well, not really.

CORA: Isn't it because you sit in judgment of yourself?

THERRY: Yes. But the force behind that judgment is law, and you don't play or negotiate with law.

CORA: Because you're on that level which doesn't fight it.

THERRY: Correct.

JIM: I guess we don't get to eat all we want.

THERRY: What?

CORA: Jim said that I guess we don't get to eat all we want.

TUNA: So like when you say that you're going down to the dream stage that you've been talking about, basically if you're not defending your life at that point its because its not time or its not your death stage.

THERRY: Well, you're not defending your life from the point of view for the jury or the judge. Not from that standpoint. Simply because the jury or the judge type scenario implies a judgment or a punitive action. That doesn't exist. There is no punitive action for which you may or may not have done. It simply a case of learning to choose for more favorable games.

TUNA: Then you can do that when you have those alter-realities. The essence is learning another game that is perhaps more beneficial to give.

THERRY: Well, in that in-between time its not a time for choosing to play different games, it's a time for letting go of the games that you've already played. You don't begin choosing a different game, until the reincarnation has spent. See there's two kinds of in-between times. There's the in-between time that is the Alliance of the Rule, and then there's the in between time that is the death process. You choose your games during the Alliance of the Rule, and you get rid of those games during the death process.

TUNA: So you're saying that you choose your games here because this is the level you choose it.

THERRY: See but you're going aside from the original discussion. The original discussion at the moment is of the death process, not the Alliance of the Rule. During the Alliance of the Rule, you can more or less form any game you choose, forgetting of course the ones that already pre-packaged because of Predestiny. But you have a whole lot more freedom during the Alliance of the Rule than during the death process. During the death process there's only one choice, you either let go or you don't.

CORA: So when you're in Arkashea, one of the goals might be instead of holding on is to work on letting go even though we're liable to panic during the death process.

THERRY: See the big difference is that the religions of the day because of their nature seek to find to trap you to their service. Whereas in the death process it seeks to let you go, so if during your life you cocooned yourself with a whole lot of veneers of untruth, deceptions and stuff, which comes from your belief system of a present life, that prevents you from understanding, truly understanding the nature of law, and the nature of creation. Therefore the in-between time forces you to strip all of that veneer, so you end up with realizing that everything that you lived your life for is nothing but a sham, and once you understand the nature of law and the nature of creation, then letting go will become easier.

CORA: So that's what we do here?

THERRY: That's what we do here. To teach the individual the pattern of accepting and understanding law. In short, we try to strip away a whole lot of the veneers before you get into the in-between time.

CORA: So people who study in Arkashea are really working hard at letting go of life all through their life?

THERRY: Yes. Its not life itself that is the letting go. It's the impurities that life's gives that you're seeking to let go.

CORA: At Girls Night Out-- in the Catholic Church I remember reading a story and the nuns were very excited because one of the nuns was dying and they all gathered around because now was the golden moment of her life, now was the moment that she was working all her life and it was the birth process and for them the greatest of times, and I wonder if we could equate...

THERRY: We have that here. We call that the Rites of the Dismantling of the Altar. The Altar in question is of course, the veneers of the individual's life. That's what the Last Rites are all about. It's the dismantling of the Altar.

CORA: Cut through all the crap and just self-examine.

THERRY: At the point in time that are really equal.

CORA: Could one say that that's one of our primary goals in studying at Arkashea perhaps?

THERRY: You can only say that the primary goal in Arkashea is to learn law.

CORA: For the end result of...?

THERRY: No. Because what you truly possess here in the form of wisdom, you take with you, and hopefully if it is engrained in you deeply enough, then during your following incarnations you won't allow certain types of veneers to begin to take over.

CORA: Could you clarify the stripping away of the impurities of this level in this life. Could you clarify the stripping away part of--

THERRY: Well, it's the different games that people have to play in order to learn and grow.

TIA: So when you say stripping away of this level and life there are certain limits because you still have to play the games of Maya.

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: So although you're stripping away, it's not only this level but on three levels.

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: But also, you have--you're working within this reality?.

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: --working with intellectual stuff is properly allowed?

THERRY: Yes.

CORA: Is it the journey for the dismantling of the altar when an individual understands limitations but yearns to be more part of the whole?

THERRY: Yes, its called Urning, a desire to fill the void within.

TIA: No matter how much involved in Arkashea you are limited by reality.

THERRY: You are limited by the claim to uniqueness and certain sensations and feelings can only be fulfilled via your door.

TIA: The door that is not part of this reality.

THERRY: Well, that's the door that allows you to-- that's the doors and windows of the What, If, But.

TIA: So that--the yearning--if the individual may feel the limitations of this reality from outside.

THERRY: Are you familiar with the What, If, But?

TIA: I've heard of it, but I'm not familiar.

THERRY: Now is a good time for you and whoever else is present to readdress it. In your position you should have already read it and understood What, If, But.

TIA: I've only heard it since I came to the first Ceremony.

THERRY: Perhaps it's a good time for somebody to read it. You'll discuss it. It is in the Discovery.

TIA: Is that what Tom has right now?

THERRY: No, he's presently reading A, B, C of the Lexicon.

TIA: The Discovery?

GERRY: A, B, C in the Lexicon. Its okay, its okay.

CORA: Should the Lexicon be read before Lexicon 1?

GERRY: Did he say the Discovery?

THERRY: The Discovery is not the same as A, B, C of the Lexicon.

GERRY: What's going on? Volume 1 is A, B, C of the Discovery.

CARL: Can we ask Tim to take that one?

THERRY: Forget it, its in Part 1 or Part 2. It begins with a Y. And then there's Urning that does not begin with a Y.

CARL: And the Urning is obviously different than enduring in more aspects.

THERRY: Yes. One is the desire, the other is the need to become one with the whole.

CORA: The Urning is the need to become one with the whole?

THERRY: Yes.

CORA: So I can equate yearning for this level and Urning as the more universal.

THERRY: Yes. It's a deeper more powerful thing.

CORA: And if a person--

THERRY: Read the What, If, But.

CORA: "In the Continuum of the Spell of Life, all is accorded free-will to do as one pleases. This free will was given to each of us by the Goddess Isis, through the power of the Ruby of Life. The interaction of free will within each individual's mind, in each plane of existence and the implications that result from the exercise, are those things that keep diversity in a constant state of change.

Behold the journey of two Angels, as seen through the eyes of these two minds, as they come to experience this sometime gift and sometime curse called free will. Behold their freedom to experience, in their own beginning, a possible way in which their Universe has unfolded. We should call them by their effectiveness of force: " WHAT IF" and its nemesis, "But."

" WHAT IF each of us were given free-will by their Eternal Creator. WHAT IF we could use this free will to gain the Illusion of leaving Primedial Force, called the Universal Nest?

BUT the Universal Nest is everywhere. The Creator is everywhere and in everything. It is impossible to leave Primedial Force.

WHAT IF there were a way? A way to leave, yet truly not leave at all? WHAT IF in our minds we could pretend we have left the Nest?

BUT how can we do this? We could pretend all we want but we will always know that we have not left the Nest. Besides, why would we want to pretend anyway?

WHAT IF we pretend hard enough, think hard enough so as to fall asleep. To actually lose consciousness and dream about anything about we desire.

BUT is that possible? This free will that we possess...would it allow us to do all that? And if it did, if we could do that, what should we think about?

WHAT IF we could think about a physical Universe? A place where our hearts are held prisoner in a grosser manner. A place where we could have our own energy to play with. An energy inside a physical vehicle that has the power of mobility. A Universe where we could have total dominion over what we want to experience. Think of the possibilities. We could play the game of sick, the game of war, the game of death, the death of pain--a playground with infinite possibilities.

BUT even if we do think about such a place and even if we could fall asleep, it would just be an illusion. It wouldn't be real--only your imagination.

WHAT IF we pretended hard enough. We could create a new thing called reality. A reality only true to us unless others decided to use their imagination to dream our dream too. The Creator would only see us as being asleep. An awareness dreaming fantasies and living within them. "

"Building castles in the sand and then moving in," Therry added. Skie read on.

"Besides, our freewill would protect us from any outside interference by the Creator. After all, it was given to us as a gift to do with what we please. Think about the endless possibilities we can experience without our freewill.

BUT what if the fact that while experiencing this so-called dream we could stop it at any given moment knowing full well we can return to the awareness of the Universal Nest. Where is the trueness of leaving the nest while knowing this?

WHAT IF this freewill was so powerful that we could make up any rules and any laws that we wanted? We could decide ourselves, how things should work. We could even install veils to keep us from knowing our true God-like abilities. They would keep us from knowing how to do certain things and therefore keep us from knowing the truth. We could transfer our awareness to the illusion itself, you know, as a part of trapping our energy of thought into matter, and law could keep it there so it wouldn't fall out when we weren't looking. This way we could experience the full sensation of the separation from the Universal Nest without actually leaving it.

BUT if freewill is that powerful and it could prevent us from knowing how to return to the awareness of the Nest, won't we become forever lost?

WHAT if we made sure that there were at least some hidden windows scattered about? Windows that would show us the way home. And just to make sure we could return, in case we could not find the windows, let's invoke a law that would automatically return us to the source of our behavior, if our thoughts consisted of the love for the all?

Therry interrupted saying, "The New Covenant comes in." Skie went on.

All of our thoughts and all of our behaviors along with this vein would automatically guide us back. The source of all things would be revealed to our higher minds and to our hearts. And with this greater wisdom, our Ba would soar ever upward toward the awareness of home.

BUT What if...

WHAT if...Shhh ...say no more, let us dream. Let us pretend.

Lo and behold they did. Like a child caught with their new toy, illusions were played upon and bandied about without care of their effects. Illusions became the focus of not one, but of many. All seemed to experience the diversity of free will. Reality had indeed become a prisoner of thought. And likened unto a child, the games that were played, and the games that were dreamed of and fantasized soon became their new creation called reality. Rules were made without understanding that the very force used to place them there was also the very force that kept them there.

Those who made up new games chose what would be experienced as they played, but as in all rules that originate from the mind of a child, some things were left out. Certain concepts were not realized or remained unthought of. Implications of interactions were not completely addressed or even ignored out of the bemusement.

As a result, the experiments of free-will fell deeper and deeper into sleep, into their dreams of reality. Veils of forgetfulness took their toll upon the descending Ka.

With Universal laws eventually forgotten, set aside or purposefully misused, they found that they could not find any of their secret windows, nor could they remember their own rules. They were, indeed trapped within the Hell of their Own Thoughts. The new physical Universe, the illusion of someone's desiring to experience a grosser reality, turned into a place of separation and despair rather than a place of oneness and joy. The imagined playground had become a circus of horrors.

Unfortunately, those who perceived the reflections of others seemingly having much pleasure in their dreams, wondered about the pleasures and the reality of the dream. They, too, decided to dream the dream of a grosser reality. Of a reality whereby their thought energy was completely imprisoned into matter.

Behold ye who sojourns unto the sacred Ruby of Life, opportunities will come once in the saga of Time. Eventually the Universe will share that which is mine. Our hearts have a dream, which has begun, to give sustenance to the old and to shelter the young. As all are diminished or all are enhanced, what happens to just one will determine the dance. Throughout the eons again it's revealed that by our deeds of today our future we seal. With each step of kindness, of sharing our wealth, we increase our own glory, by the sharing of ourself. Each step that we take is a step for the whole. No greater gift can be given than the gift of our soul. So give of your ear and help all things rhyme. The young and the old will be served in their time. It's true that the fates have a way to judge souls, for each, in due time, will play the same role.

And that's the story of the Creation of Earth and with it the New Covenant. It goes on to Pangea."

THERRY: So?

CORA: So as I began to read it, I began to see a full picture and then towards the end I got lost and there's a parallel there.

THERRY: Yes.

CORA: Within my own reading of that from beginning to end. It was so clear and then I got lost.

THERRY: Yes. Okay, go ahead.

TIA: So the parallel that I was reading as an individual the Urning, being the desire to find the windows--

THERRY: Yes. The number one thing, the Urning that each individual has is seeking the door that returns us to the Universal Nest.

TIA: Then I ask to the rest of us, what relation do the Brothers of the Chain have?

THERRY: The Brothers of the Chain are the OtherWorld Teachers, the ones who serve as harpies, or guiding forces for the residents of Maya.

TIA: The Brothers of the Chain will try to--

THERRY: The Brothers of the Chain are the Mystical Travelers.

TIA: In the form of ?

THERRY: Whatever form is necessary for the task.

TIA: Are they sometimes through the avatars sent here? Those are the Brothers of the Chain?

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: And the White Brothers of the--

THERRY: You have to bear in mind there are Brothers of the Chain here all the time.

TIA: And as an Arkashean studying the teachers of the Great White Brotherhood, the Brothers of the Chain, I belong to the Great White Brotherhood.

THERRY: The problem. Let's not discuss that. Where you belong, who you are is not the subject here.

TIA: Okay.

THERRY: Remember, because you are on a very special course of studying here in Arkashea, that's not for the public.

TIA: Well, I was just noticing a parallel with What, If, But.

THERRY: Yeah, yeah.

TIA: So What, If, But is basically all our wishes and we just basically wanted so much and it's a pay back--

THERRY: What, If, But is the rules of the Descent from one's certain point of view.

TINA: When we decided to descend in What, IF, But, that decision having been made, we were sending ourselves to the Oblivion from that level? Is that correct.

THERRY: That's one of the ways of looking at it, to think about it.

TINA: Its not certain that we Oblivionited ourselves?

THERRY: The better way of looking at it is that as we walk the path of our futures, however unwritten they may be, we constantly have to make choices. It's not unlike following an upside down Y or a road that has a fork in it. And you either chose the right or the left. Depending on what decision that you make, you automatically cut off all of the experiences that are possible from the road that you did not chose and now you are left with only the experiences that are possible for the road that you have chosen and that way the limitations of karma and for Predestiny to continue to rule. Free will in and of itself does not apply until you come across a decision that has to be made. Usually there's about four or five per moment.

TINA: The other thing I wanted to clarify from this reading and the one before--we talked about the descending Ka--I was under the impression that this was the Ka.

THERRY: It is. That's the Ka of this level.

TINA: Then the Ba--

THERRY: The Ba is the Ka of the next level up.

TINA: So when you Astrate that's the Ba.

THERRY: It's called the Ba, only when having reference to this level.

TINA: Oh, but on our level it's the Ka?

THERRY: Once you cross the barrier, its still a Ka, but it's the Ka of that level.

TINA: Okay. Okay. I got it mixed up with the wording.

TIA: Is it in a more purified state on the next level?

THERRY: Well, I wouldn't necessarily say more purified. But I can say less obstructive.

SCHELLE: Is it a useless question to ask if we ever get back?

THERRY: Get back where?

SCHELLE: Into the constant seeking to get back to the Nest.

THERRY: Obviously given enough time, the journey will end.

TIA: Is that true even if the human race as a whole will cease and this is always possible?

THERRY: Well, there is the process of the Oblivion throughout the journey.

TIA: Even if we are Oblivionited through this--

THERRY: You have to remember that we live each life according to the moment and the experiences of the pain of the moment gets lost in time, not unlike a tear is lost in rain.

SCHELLE: What about the ones watching us sleeping and still thinking, "Oh, that looks like fun!" Sounds like it would be constantly going on. You know, new people coming in--

THERRY: There is an exchange because the placental barrier allows travel under certain conditions. But each who descends has to go through the in-between time of the Alliance of the Rule.

SCHELLE: I was just wondering how it would end if there's constantly new people to come to try it.

THERRY: It doesn't end till the journey is over.

TINA: Whose journey? Everybody's?

THERRY: The journey of the species.

TINA: The whole species?

THERRY: We Are One.

TINA: That's connected with "nobody gets out of here until everybody gets out."

THERRY: Yes. Again at this time, it might be behooving us to read again in the Lexicon the entry called "The Final Judgment." It's in the next, under D, E, F or whatever.

SCHELLE: D, E, F. All the way to the left. Yeah.

CORA: Do you see it there?

CARL: Yeah.

SCHELLE: Its called "The Final Judgment?"

CARL: what's that?

SCHELLE: "The Final Judgment. The Final Judgment refers to the pronouncement of the First Law of judgment against any species. In our case, it was the version, which applies to our species, Man. It states that when the Final Judgment comes it will come against Man, the Species, not against Man as the individual."

THERRY: John, better leave that.

BOB: Really?

SCHELLE: "Thus, each man is linked to the species of man, as a whole, each is indeed his Brother's Keeper. As man was originally unitary in his nature, so too does Karma judge man as a unit. We sum this up by saying, "We Are One," one implication of them all. We Are One, is that there is only one Mind Force that animates all life forms. Thus the pattern repeats itself upon a higher level. Man is linked to all forms of life. He's...his Stewart?? To each and every And when the absolute, final judgment comes, it will come against life, the Mind force itself, and not against Life, the individual species. The Magi of old had a very special way of teaching the importance of the attitude of Unity to the young student seeking, then student seekers. They told a tale wherein the God, Anubis."

THERRY: Anubis.

SCHELLE: "Anubis, seeker of the end of all Illusion was commenting, was speaking to the Goddess Isis, the Giver of All Illusions."

THERRY: That's pronounced EE-siss.

SCHELLE: "Isis (The Giver of all Illusions) bares witness as Anubis (The end of all illusions) contemplates upon the Final Judgment against the species man and why

Judgment against Man as a species.

• Behold, sister, we are of one face, your gift to man is not kind

• They are less than true to their illusions.

• In fear does man rush into his trap.

• Fear is man's greatest scourge.

• Time is Man's enemy.

• The individual fears all that is about him.

• Man fears the very elements, which created his nature, so he blames the deeds of his elements upon the Gods of his own Creations.

• Man fears the pain of himself, so he blames his brother for the crimes that have plagues his world.

• Man fears the loneliness of his own solitude, so he blames others for his own lack of persona.

• Man fears the judgment of time, so he sets himself as judge over others of his kind, condemning his brother to deeds he himself has done.

• Man fears truth, so he corrupts the face of judgment by making truth look like falsehood and falsehood look like justice, so he blames the deed upon language.

• Man fears the strength of others so he sets others against that strength, using lies of omission and unspoken innuendo. Thus he blames the precedence of his own deed upon the prejudices of others.

• Man fears the future; so he tries to destroy by corrupting his own seed using love of seed, love of humanity, and love of God as his weapons.

• Verily, verily, I say unto Man, the Final Judgment shall not set the Man against the Golden Scribe, be it true the Golden Scribe Tao, shall mark tally against each for his crimes.

• Man shall not meet the Final Judgment as an individual for it is written that the Final Judgment shall mark tally against Man the species.

• Man look therefore long and deep, into the care of your Ka.

• If a man seeks celebration, let him look into the past to find the future.

• Verily, verily, if a single individual be condemned for the sake of a man's desire, then so too condemned is the entire species, for it is writ there's only one way.

• What is committed against the least of man, is committed against the most of men.

• According to the Golden Scribe, what is elusive is the Illusion that shall be elusive in each's reality.

• Hold, Sister, we are of one face.

• My face shall come, my face shall come.

THERRY: You don't have to read related topics.

BOB: There's a lot that I don't understand.

THERRY: Ask the questions about the things that you don't understand.

SCHELLE: Here, just the first sentence. The Final Judgment refers to the pronouncement of the First Law of Judgment?

THERRY: Yes. You have to bear in mind that life is itself the rules of the Continuum. There are many points along the Continuum of the Life Force. Man, the species is only one of those points. Each point along the Continuum follows that same pattern as the original...We Are One. As all life is judged in a single stroke, so too each point in the Continuum, relatively so, is judged by a single stroke. Thus all the members that make up the species man shall be judged on the Final Judgment when the Species is judged. Likewise from a cockroach point, all members of the cockroach species will be judged finally when the species cockroach is judged and again on the next level down each individual that make up the species Man is judged by all his deeds when it is time for that individual's Final Judgment to be made. The only basic difference is on that individualistic basis...the final judge is the individual himself. But when it comes to the Final Judgment of Man Himself, then it is ALL the points of the Continuum of Life, who sit in judgment against man.

SCHELLE: All the points of the Continuum of Life?

THERRY: Yes.

SCHELLE: Are the judges?

THERRY: Yes, all of the others species with which man has had to share the experience. They sit in judgment of man. But it is the Universe who sits in judgment of the Life Force itself. So it still follows a box within a box, within a box, within a box, within a box. The lowest box is, each is his own judge. The next box up its those who you share the box with become the judge against you. Like when it comes the final time for the species cockroach to be judged, then it will leave all of us, all the other life forms who will sit in judgment of the cockroach species, et cetera. And as you go up, there is a different set of judgments. But it is the Universal Law itself that sits in judgment of Life Force. Hence in the Final Judgment, it gives credence to the truth of it, that Anubis seeks to end the Illusions, which trap and therefore is seen as a good guy. Isis, on the other hand, the Goddess of Life, is the Giver of the Illusion and hence the bad guy. But if you're inside the illusion, you see Isis as the good guy and Anubis as the bad guy, because Anubis is symbolic of Death, the ending of your illusions. Remember it brings to mind different laws, that they shall make truth look like falsehood and falsehood look like honor and then that way through peace shall much will be destroyed. That's the judgment against the so-called 666 from the Christian point of view. Again it's a reversal.

TINA: I'm having a little trouble with the word judgment, because its--that's such Judea-Christian overtones.

THERRY: Well, it doesn't have to be Christian-Christian overtones.

TINA: When you say the judge will judge cockroaches--

THERRY: If you bear in mind that judgment existed long before Christianity--

TINA: So what is the result of all of this judgment? Like what you said, we're judging cockroaches, being able to judge us, whatever, what is the result of this judgment?

THERRY: Well, it's the nature of the next experience. In the lowest Ba, we judge ourselves and therefore determine what our next experience will be. Again, you have to bear in mind that when you're using the term judgment in Arkashean terms, you cannot attach punitive to it. The punitive aspect of judgment belongs to religion and politics. It doesn't belong in the Universal genres. So judgment does not mean that you must suffer punitive things. It simply is the determiner of the next experience. So when you look at judgment from that point of view, it gives you a different connotation. The reality of it--the reality of it is more truth.

SCHELLE: Can I read this paragraph?

THERRY: Yeah.

SCHELLE: "Man is linked to all forms of life, his Stewart to each and every life form..."What does that sentence mean?

THERRY: That means that he is responsible, not only for what his species does, but depending on the level of wisdom and the level of mobility that man has with respect to that level of mobility to other species, he is responsible for what he does to other species.

SCHELLE: Oh, that should be "He is?!"

THERRY: Yeah, no.

SCHELLE: Oh, it says "His."

THERRY: No, Stewart, Stewart meaning he serves.

SCHELLE: Steward. "And when the absolute Final Judgment comes it will come against life, the mind force itself and not against life the individual species."

THERRY: Right. Right.

SCHELLE: So that means everything going to be judged.

THERRY: That's where Universal Forces will sit in judgment of that which has life.

SCHELLE: And again that's just--

THERRY: In short, the Universe will judge all that which possessed mind force. That's the highest level.

SCHELLE: Does everything possess mind force? No?

THERRY: No. Many creations possess the life force but do not possess mind force.

SCHELLE: Oh.

THERRY: See the book that you are reading is an example. It possesses life force but does not possess mind force.

TIA: Is that the difference between let's say, a reptile and mammals?

THERRY: No, both reptiles and mammals is possessed of mind force.

TIA: They are possessed of mind force? Is there a species of living-- level that possesses life force but not mind force?

THERRY: No.

TIA: Even a fly?

THERRY: If they are called living from our point of view, then they possess both life force and mind force.

TIA: So the mind force is not obvious from our point of view--

THERRY: Say that again?

TIA: Something lacking in mind force, can you give me an example--

THERRY: Yeah, that example.

TIA: Oh, inanimate.

THERRY: Yeah.

TIA: And it does possess life, it does not possess either life force or mind force.

THERRY: No, no, no. All inanimate objects possess life force. They just don't possess mind force.

TINA: Even plastic?

THERRY: Yeah, it possesses life force, but it doesn't possess mind force.

TINA: But is doesn't have to do with a wooden table that comes from a tree, which is everything.

THERRY: Yeah, all...anything that is physical possesses life force but it does not possess mind force.

TIA: Would that be equated to energy and matter?

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: Therry, you mentioned something last night about the cerebric robe/rubric road??? Is this still when your body changing. Did I hear you correctly?

THERRY: Yes. Once every seven years your whole brain changes--

TIA: So once somebody starts on the path--or through the seven-year period, you're talking, physical, physiological changes take place.

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: Are they invisible to the eye or are they internal? Can I look at somebody now and they start their learning and seven years from now say, you really look different? Or would be more of a cellular level movement? Whereas I may not perceive it through my mind? I don't understand when you're saying physical change.

THERRY: Well, I think you took your question out of context to begin with and therefore you begun with being bemused.

TIA: That's what I am, bemused!

THERRY: The original question was stated such that is there a reason why the special ceremony lasts seven years. The response to that is yes, because it takes seven years for the individual to be totally changed such that every single atom in their body has been renewed.

KITTY: Did you say special ceremony?

THERRY: Yeah.

KITTY: Can you explain that?

THERRY: The...in this particular instance we're talking about the preparation for marriage. They have to enter special training for seven years.

TIA: Is that limited to Arkashean marriages or is that not limited to Arkashean marriages.

THERRY: Its limited only to Arkashean marriages. The joining follows the law of politics.

TIA: So in other words, if the person doesn't choose to go through an Arkashean marriage although walks path, is that seven years still valid as far as its not only for the Arkashean marriage--

SCHELLE: Why is there a Final Judgment? 'Cause we are constantly being judged as we go along or are we?

THERRY: You judge yourself on the lowest level.

SCHELLE: What about karma? Are we not--

THERRY: You use your free will to create your karma. Everything is cyclic. Everything goes in cycles. At the end of the cycle, you reevaluate yourself in order to determine what you should work on next. It's called the judgment.

TIA: So judgment is not an inappropriate. It's towards growth?

THERRY: Yes.

TIA: Or some people choose to--

THERRY: It's simply the process of determining the next cycle. And it has nothing to do with punitiveness.

SCHELLE: So what does this final judgment determine then? That's--

THERRY: The same thing --it lets in experiences. Remember having descended into a level, you may not leave that level until the karmic chord is equal to what it was when you entered, cause that's the Final Judgment.

SCHELLE: Oh, whether or not you can move on?

THERRY: Yes. Cause remember each level has its own relative Final Judgment. It follows the laws of repeated patterns.

SCHELLE: Of repeated patterns? There be a choice, whether you come back here or not, once its equal to the karmic...would you conceivably choose to come back here?

THERRY: Yes.

SCHELLE: Or would you choose to move on to another level?

THERRY: Well, let me ask you a question, which might help you. How many times have you gone to a circus?

SCHELLE: No, but I mean with the Final Judgment then.

THERRY: You didn't answer my question.

SCHELLE: Well, I love amusement parks, I love roller coasters.

THERRY: So after you left one, you have of your own free will gone back?

SCHELLE: Yeah.

THERRY: So, it follows the same pattern.

SCHELLE: Yeah, but with the Final Judgment thing, does that decides what you do?

THERRY: It's the same pattern. The Final Judgment within your circus visit was when you left it. You made a Final Judgment that it was okay to leave, but somewhere along the line you decided to go back. Repeated patterns. You can do the same for each life.

SCHELLE: So the judgment doesn't decide whether you will or you won't come back, it's just whether you can.

THERRY: Exactly.

TINA: Is it so boring. So if we come back will it still--

THERRY: I don't think it applies.

TINA: Its just words in its own--

THERRY: Yeah.

TINA: But just here...from what you were saying you were trying to conceive why in hell we would go through all this...and then come back and start all over again.

THERRY: I don't think...I don't think the state boring applies.

TINA: Not, not as you couldn't experience this much-- Will there be more to experience?

THERRY: Since from the highest point of view, you know all there is to know--

TINA: Yeah.

THERRY: --I would imagine that what could be said would be a process of trying to find out what it would be like if you DID NOT know everything.

SCHELLE: BUT WE JUST WENT FOR MORE!. (Laughter).

TINA: Yeah, its true, knowing we'll be thinking its negative, it could be totally different--

THERRY: Each time you went through it you chose different things to know.

SCHELLE: Then we cover it all around.

TINA: Oh, it's just eternal?. This wheel will never ends, right?

THERRY: Well, that statement is true only with respect to time, which is its own cycle.

SCHELLE: Can you ever experience it all so you won't want to come back and try something and there won't never be anything new to try?

THERRY: It may be different to believe, but there are entities within Deluge who have not descended to the Earth Experience and have no desire to.

TINA: Not even to help pull any of us out, right?

THERRY: Correct.

TINA: They must be smart then, right? Or--

THERRY: I don't think you can truly apply that label to it.

TINA: Or if they bore--All you have is the equity?

THERRY: You can't put the labels that apply inside the illusion and make them valid for using them to experiences that apply outside the illusion.

TINA: Do they know as we did not know what we were getting ourselves into?

THERRY: Not true, you DID know.

TINA: Oh, because of --

THERRY: Remember the experience itself is to see what it is like when you don't know everything.

TINA: Oh. Did we know it was going to be very foggy, and veils dropping and certainly being hungry and sex and everything? Were we aware what kind of worms did we were going to get ourselves into?

THERRY: Yeah, of course you were aware.

TINA: We were aware! Well that's how--

THERRY: How else would you have gone through the Alliance of the Rule and the in-between time? The Alliance of the Rule was the process of which veil to isolate.

TINA: So the entities who chose not to come down, it was more because of a protective feeling? It was not because of, "Oh this was so -- well, I don't want to get involved in that?"

THERRY: No, no.

TINA: Okay.

THERRY: A good pattern to understand is during the sixties there was a group of people in a country called U.S.A. Well; a strange phenomenon took place in that country during the sixties where a certain percentage of the people decided that the status quo was no longer for them. They wanted to experience something else. So because they rejected so fervently the attitudes and the paradigms of the people as a whole, they decided that they would separate themselves from the whole, and thus they went into the Oblivion as the "Hippy." They became "Hippies." While it was their choice to go to that Oblivion, however, during that time period, they lost all human kindred with the rest of their society. It was an absolute separation. Even though that absolute separation was simply a cycle of time eventually they all melded in that era, during that time they were in the auspices of Oblivion, they were indeed totally separate, with a totally separate set of experiences. That's the type of thinking that you'd have to think of in terms of the Descent.

KITTY: Yesterday, Wayne and I were talking about this, and he said that the entities that chose to come down here would have something that the ones that chose to stay would not have. That it would be something else?

THERRY: Yeah, it's called reality. Remember reality is a by-product of having descended, the same way as the hippies have a set of history that the rest of the country didn't, so the presence or the absence of that is not what necessarily creates baggage...cause there are some things not worth having, depending on one's point of view.

DEL: Why do some chose to descend and some don't?

THERRY: I don't think that there's an answer to that on this level.

SCHELLE: So people that don't descend don't have a reality? Seriously?

THERRY: Correct.

SCHELLE: What is it called where they exist?

THERRY: Dialusion. D-I-A-L-U-S-I-O-N.

KITTY: They don't have reality because they don't have illusions?

THERRY: Right. The only time you can have reality is if you have or are in possession of an illusion. If you are possessed by an illusion, then you experience reality.

SCHELLE: Now I'm confused.

THERRY: Well, it's a case of the limits of ...Perhaps one of the ways to help you to explain it...read in the Lexicon the entry, Delusion, Dialusion.

SCHELLE: Delusion, Dialusion?

THERRY: Yeah, it's in the second book.

KITTY: So when we gain wisdom down here, does not mean we're not--

THERRY: No, but you do during the experience have wisdom that you wouldn't have up there.

KITTY: But we don't take it back and forth?

THERRY: No, because its not, its knowledge, its not worth it--

SCHELLE: So what's it called then for people who don't descend, Dialusion?

THERRY: Yeah. Just read it...it's under the Ds.

SCHELLE: Deluge, is that the one?

THERRY: Yeah.

SCHELLE: It's got its own entry for Deluge.

THERRY: "Deluge is said to be the original home of the state of beingness of the species man, because he said that the species a Oblivionite from Deluge, the pure state of existence. It, Deluge, is the state of absolute purity from which the Descent into the Maya took place. In some cultures, Deluge would be referred to as the home of the Gods. As such there are many names for it, among them being Heaven, Valhalla and the Great Void."

SCHELLE: But the pure state of existence, isn't that a reality, no.

THERRY: Find the next entry.

SCHELLE: What am I looking for, Deluge and Dialuge?

THERRY: Yeah.

SCHELLE: "For the uninitiated, there's difficulty in understanding the difference between the labels, Dialuge, Deluge, and Dialusion. The Maya is equal to Deluge. The World of Illusion is equal to Dialusion; reality is equal to Dialuge and the common illusion is equal to the common Dialusion. "

RONIE: That makes it clear! (Laughter)

TIMMY: "Understand that within our present awareness state, you recognize that you're in the Maya, however, if you go to the Other Side of the Double Gate, you'd find that there's also the Maya there as well. The difference is that we don't call by the name the Maya. We call it by the name of Deluge. In a..."

THERRY: Another way of looking at it ...in U.S.A. we have generals that control the Army. In another country, they also have generals that also control the Army. But they're different. One's in the U.S.A. and follows one set of rules, and the other is in another country and follows a different set of rules. Hence, there are limitations to each. That's what you're talking about.

In addition, you also accept that you live, you have a certain awareness of a fabric that exists which you call reality. Likewise, there's also reality on the other side of the Double Gate. We call it Dialusion. Furthermore, our point of view from within the Earth Experience tell us, at least on this level, the Astral Plane of Common Reality there's a special one to one pairing which exists between our reality and our state of being. That relationship, that pairing also exists on the other side of the Double-Gate, Deluge and Dialusion.

Using other words, Dialuge is to Deluge as reality is to illusion. Furthermore on this side of the Double Gate of Isis/Anubis, the pairing is reality and the World of Illusion, and its equivalent on the other side is Dialuge and Deluge. Deluge is like the Maya, a state of awareness. Dialusion is the equivalent to reality within that state. Dialusion is an aspect of Deluge as reality is an aspect of Maya. Reality is an aspect of the Maya. Dialusion is an equivalent aspect to Deluge.

In other words, Dialuge, D-I-A..., is equivalent to reality within the Maya. Dialuge, D-I-A..., is an aspect of Deluge, D-E..., there is the Maya. Maya and reality, and there is reality which is the manifestation of the awareness of being in Maya, which is an aspect of being trapped in the Maya. It's more like a special type of awareness of a state of being within the dimensional and then a special state of awareness, which is a part of reality itself. Then the special state of awareness itself, which comes when interaction takes place between an individual's reality and his common illusion.

Reality is a subset, a special type of awareness, which allows us to understand that reality itself is simply an interaction between that which is real and that which is not real. We looked at reality as a subset of the world of illusion. Reality is a subset of the world of illusion. When we speak of reality, we're really speaking of different points along the Continuum of Awareness.

Deluge is an equal to the Maya, both being a state of being, a nether place within the world of Dialusion. Deluge is inside Dialuge, the same way Planet Earth exists within the Earth Experience and the Earth Experience exists within the carbon dimension. It indicates the pattern of the Grand Illusion, basically that of repeating patterns.

The whole process follows the laws of the Oblivion. We of Planet Earth are all Oblivionites, that is the residents of the Maya, have gone into Oblivion (We have been cast out of singalarity). We have descended from what we call the pure state of Deluge into the great void of the Maya... into the Earth Experience. As though it weren't complicated enough as it were, it is also true that we residents of the Maya descended from the absence into the presence. To understand how this was possible, consider that we came from the absence, meaning there was nothing here, to the presence, meaning we are now here. Existence upon this level of awareness didn't exist before we descended from the heights of what we call Deluge.

Our journey into the great void forced us to experience the nothingness of existence outside the pure state that we now call Deluge. It is from that standpoint that we descended along the path of the absence, with a question mark. Our uncontrolled thoughts brought forth unrealized emotions... the thoughts which we experienced while we still had an option...before we condemned ourselves to emotions, within our pure state of Deluge, which decreed that we should become a pilgrim via the Oblivion. Hence you are correct to say that we went from the presence to the absence. However, it must be understood, that being Oblivionites, that we descended from a higher level, a higher species... Again there is a question mark... an unknown.

As there are benefits from being members of the Brothers of the Chain, so too are there aspects that might be considered not so good. One of them being that for the purpose of aiding those other levels of experience, the forces of Creation calls some Brothers to become temporarily bemused in order that he might fulfill his function of aiding the trapped ones.

However, not all is lost. There is a certain level of guarantee inherent in every happening. There is a certain guarantee that a life form is going to have a certain propensity towards Predestiny and a certain propensity towards free will. The lack of a guarantee which exists exists in the foretelling of what will happen in the future, even though there is a greater propensity towards the ability... towards what will happen in Predestiny, there is far less of a propensity to be able to determine what would happen in free-will by its very nature.

In any case, however, lost a Brother of a Chain will become; he still serves a purpose in the scheme of Creation. This is because it is in inherent in the path that he chose to descend. However, lost he will become, there is plenty of individuals on that same level and he will always serve as the light for them. It is inherent in his make-up. Plus we must understand the limitations of the demands of each level respectively

The laws of the level say that in order to descend upon that level you must evoke certain Veils of Forgetfulness. So it is conceivable that for a measure of time, a Brother might lose sight of the fact that he is a Brother, simply because so many Veils have dropped. But that doesn't change the fact that he is still a Brother and therefore still serves his function as a beacon for others.

This brings about the seeming circular effect paradox. It becomes questionable if he has indeed become lost, or if he is simply serving the boundaries of the level that he is on. And it also makes good an academic discussion on the two possibilities. Is it free will or is it Predestiny? Are the Veils dropped because of Predestiny in order for him to serve his function on a specific level or have the Veils of Forgetfulness dropped because of his bemusement? Since both ending up serving the same purpose in any case, who's to say. All good does evil and all evil does good.

The laws which govern the Continuum of Good and Evil demand that it to be so. It's the same law. The next question is what is good and what is evil. Furthermore, what is it that makes Good good? What is it that makes Evil evil ? Obviously in order to find that answer you would have to look with reference to a specific level of understanding and the relative scale of morality as that morality interacts with the values of that level.

The wise seeker might ask, using that logic, isn't it possible for anybody to rationalize any behavior as far as applying the appropriate level in order to support their assertions? Since the answer is "Yes," what then distinguishes their good behavior from their bad? To discover the key to this puzzle, each must use the demands of that respective level.

If any individual chooses to bemuse himself, that doesn't change the requirements of that level. Remember there is still a process of Oblivion on each level as well. If Andy wishes to delude himself and follow the path that will force him into another judgment of Oblivion, is it his free will or his predestiny? Perhaps a better question is when does being a pawn for a karmic situation stop being just that and become someone heading down the path toward Oblivion just for the sake of doing and satisfying our own prejudiced emotions?

Of course, we have now addressed a question, which has been debated by all the religions for hundreds of centuries. Firstly, it is not our wish to speak of the motives that might drive an individual into the condemnation of the great void, which comes from sacrificing his honor unto the altar of self-satisfaction. But we will speak of the possibility of a Brother of a Chain choosing to go to Oblivion. When a timed cycle for a level or a species has ended, before the actual end, certain numbers of the Brothers of the Chain will automatically choose Oblivion, in order to prepare the next level. It must be remembered that there are two paths downward. There is the Path of the Descent. Then there's the Path of the Brothers of the Chain.

CARL: Kay, You've been quite for a long time. What are you feeling... What are you thinking of. Is there anything that you'd like to share with me?

KITTY: I was just laying here... thinking how all I have is just a few days left to live... Yet I don't feel sad.

CARL: How so?

KITTY: In a way, I'm glad I asked to Hospice here at the Monastery... Everyone's so nice. I especially like that they don't look at me funny... or that they don't avoid me just because I'm dying of cancer.

CARL: Yes, Therry is a good teacher, isn't he. I like the way he refuses to lie just to make you feel good, regardless of the situation.

KITTY: Yes, ain't that the truth. During one of our sessions about the process going on in my body, I made the mistake--no, not the mistake--I asked the question of what was really, really going on with me and my patterns. When Therry told me that it was my pattern to link up with Dav and then leave early--via death--not always cancer like this time, I truly felt 'abandon hope' for the first time. What an idiot, why, I mean WHY would I continue to do this to myself. And, since here I was doing it again, obviously I haven't broken the pattern yet. My equilibrium rocked, my happy serene death experience interrupted by an unpleasant look in the mirror, I felt despair. Trapped. The idea of dying only to come back and do the same things over seemed like the height of irony. After a day or so of depression and talking it over with various people I came to feel that death is giving me an opportunity to start over again. I may be dealing with the same the pattern, and I may not break the cycle next time, but I do know that I've made some positive changes this life. Dealing with my death is a little like writing my own report card complete with suggestions from the teacher on how to improve my grades for next semester. So, abandon hope--yes and no. Yes, we are trapped in our illusions and we certainly know how to serve up pain for ourselves and others. And, no because by understanding this law, we can begin to release ourselves from our traps.

RONIE: As for the ABSENCE/PRESENCE part, I think of this one with regard to karma.--There was a recent news story of a cab driver who was savagely beaten to death while all the neighbors watched from their windows, doing nothing. This is absence. You should have done something but you didn't. There is an accrual of karma for omitting actions just as surely as there is karma for committing actions, which would be presence--the presence of an act. Sadly, but too late, I can apply this pattern to myself as I continue to repeat the same deeds, or as I fail to commit these deeds forcing me to repeat the same cycles form fife to life. However painful, at least this life I can see how truthful the Abandon Hope cycles can be for those without OtherWorld Teachers to help guide you while you are making out your report card for the future. While it is sad to die of cancer, as I lay thinking about this long process of dying, I can truly say that I die a wiser person...this makes me feel the whole process of learning and growing worth it...maybe next time I can break the cycle.