Arkashea QandA 078

Arkashean Q&A Session -- 078

DUNCAN: Alright, it says here Akhenaten visions revealed that when the GreatForce created matter the LifeForce / MindForce Pairing was created in the self same happening, thus the pattern continued in all facets of creation and I'm wondering when they say the pattern, whether they mean the pattern of LifeForce / MindForce Pairing plus matter continuing in all facets of creation? Or whether they mean the pattern of Continuums intertwining or that the pattern wherein when one thing is created other things come into being?

THERRY: They mean all patterns. Specifically the fact that when you create one thing in the same self moment you create all the possibilities that that one thing can get involved with and at the same time you create the whole fabric of creation as it applies to that one thing that is created. Does that make it clear? For instance, if you create matter all of the possibilities of matter, such as animated matter, inanimate matter and antimatter.

DUNCAN: Ok, so when they say the pattern continued they are talking about the pattern where by--

THERRY: Patterns of creation--

DUNCAN: --created all the implications and all the possibilities are created with it?

THERRY: Yeah, the whole ball of wax.

DUNCAN: Ok. So, then on the next sentence where they say continuum of duality linking all the creations together--

THERRY: That's the fabric.

DUNCAN: Well, what does that mean, the continuum of duality. I know what the words mean but--

THERRY: Just exactly what the words mean.

DUNCAN: To that they are saying that the LifeForce/MindForce Pairings plus matter is the continuum of duality which links all the creations put together?

THERRY: Well, you have to remember that when you are talking about matter you're talking about two forms of it. That which has LifeForce/MindForce Pairing and that which has not. So, that's the duality. That which has life in matter is a continuum all of itself. True?

DUNCAN: Aye... the Continuum of Life-forms?

THERRY: That which has not life as we know it, is also a continuum. Right?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: So, now if you read that sentence you'll find this is what it is saying. The continuum of duality-- animated matter and inanimate matter.

DUNCAN: Yeah, but why is it this particular continuum which makes all the creations together as opposed to any other continuum--

THERRY: Because that's all there is; that is, if you think about it that is the entire aspect of That which is real.

DUNCAN: So, when they say the creations they mean that which is real?

THERRY: The whole thing. It's obvious that when something is created and given life, somewhere along the line there is inherent in that creation the ability for language and intelligence... and, so, along with the original creation that was given life there is inherent in it that somewhere along the line that which is not real is also gonna come and become part of it. It's the whole fabric.

DUNCAN: So everything is, so this is one of... I guess--It seems to me that they are saying that is the main threader.

THERRY: It is the main thread. That which is real is the main thread of the three possibilities. The three forces that create. Remember, when you create something you create all possibilities of that something at the same, so that which is not real (the world of illusion) is part of that original creation.

DUNCAN: I thought we said that time and space was created before matter, before the pairing LifeForce/MindForce?

THERRY: Yeah. But that too is a duality. And that too has many possibilities. That's all part of it.

DUNCAN: Was the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing and matter-- was matter created spontaneously from the intertwining of time and space or was it the way LifeForce was for matter?

THERRY: Say that again--

DUNCAN: Did matter come into being spontaneously with the creation of time and space?

THERRY: I don't think you can spontaneously-- I think a cause and effect relationship will be a better way of looking at it. Like a row of dominos, if you cause something to happen to the first, that something will have a chain reaction on all that comes after it.

DUNCAN: Well is that the way it is between matter and life force?

THERRY: Yes, that's the way it is with all of creation. They're simply one more step of the chain that occurred during the original creation. Remember, when the first something was created, that creation became the new cause for the next effect, and so it goes.

DUNCAN: Alright--

THERRY: As a matter of fact, creation is still going on even today. According to the same pattern that was going on in the beginning.

DUNCAN: Well, I don't know what you mean-- you mean new things are being created or what's been created is being sustained or what.

THERRY: Yes, new things are being created as well as that which has been is being sustained... and some of that which has been is being destroyed and recycled.

DUNCAN: When you say new things are being created, you mean new different realities or--

THERRY: Just all kinds of things. Different realities, different-- that which is real is still being created, as well. Obviously that which is not real is also being created... plus, there's the same pattern within the individual's of that which has life.

DUNCAN: Ok.

THERRY: Alright?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

DUNCAN: In light of what we just said, I'm having trouble understanding this following paragraph, "In the eons of time that follow, the pattern of creation continued." Does that mean when we say pattern of creation that thing whereby all the implications--.

THERRY: Yes, everything, right... it continues. In other words it's still continuing even today. A chain reaction doesn't end it, once it is started it continues until it achieves its end. Thus far it has not achieved its end, yet.

DUNCAN: I don't get it now. Well, it seems like that means it's occurring within time. I thought--

THERRY: Of course. This was not only within time but also within space and within Mind. Within the cycles of time and space. You can't have one without the other. Were do you think all will be created?

DUNCAN: I don't know... I thought-- that, well, I don't know... cause I don't know where the original one was created, but it seem like... if the original one came from whatever that all--

THERRY: Still came within time.

DUNCAN: But where did time and space come from?

THERRY: That's beside the point. Now you're speaking for the difference between FabricTime and LinearTime. That has nothing to do with this.

DUNCAN: Oh.

THERRY: If something is created within time and in space, then where that time and that space come from is of little importance.

DUNCAN: Ok, so everything that we're talking about within this lesson more or less, except I guess Orthodontiks is within the frame work of time and space. So, therefore--

THERRY: Correct. Time and space comes to us from Orthodontiks (Orthodontiks is the conversion point between FabricTime and LinearTime) and has nothing to do with this lesson.

DUNCAN: Ok.

THERRY: Alright?

DUNCAN: Well, when it says here--

THERRY: When it says there what?

DUNCAN: Only small specifics will change before the pattern repeated itself on another level.

THERRY: Yeah. But that's the chain of events. Examples of that, in other words, what they're talking about is the creation of Continuums--

DUNCAN: Yeah, but I am not--

THERRY: An example is the elements, you keep adding one and it keeps changing. All you do is just add one.

DUNCAN: Right, but--what I can't figure out--

THERRY: --That's the smallest unit, it's just one. And then it's reused again, you add one more, you could reuse again, you add one more, but because of the constant recycling and constant minute changes, the new creation comes out totally, totally different.

DUNCAN: I don't understand where the separation into levels comes from though. I mean... like, if I look at the periodic table... I mean, they're all different, but they're all there.

THERRY: Yes, because it's in one level. Do you remember you're talking about a fabric that change--

DUNCAN: --so they're acting in more than one direction--

THERRY: --yes--

DUNCAN: But what I am saying is, I don't understand where the barrier between the levels came from. What it is that seems to--

THERRY: I can understand that 'cause that's not for this lesson, anyway. For this lesson you just have to accept the fact that there are barriers everywhere. How can you have differences within sameness without having some form of separations between those differences. If it was not for those barriers, you could not have differences. For instance, you're aware that there are alter realities.

DUNCAN: Yeah. I can't figure out why they should be altered, why access should be the way it is or whatever--

THERRY: Because, do you have them with you all the time?

DUNCAN: No, but I don't know why, that's why I--

THERRY: That's the point, that's the barrier that you're talking about--

DUNCAN: Yeah, but I can't figure--well, whatever--

THERRY: See, it's not for this lesson anyway.

DUNCAN: Ok, alright, its not for this lesson--

THERRY: Ok, go ahead.

DUNCAN: Orthodontiks is absolutely totally unobstructed, as you descend you build obstructions or limitations, the first of which is a time/space continuum as we know it minus its corruption by a descent.

THERRY: --via descent, right. Still, not completely right. Now, we must address the fact that Orthodontiks also is dual in its nature. Remember, Orthodontiks is a conversion point between FabricTime and LinearTime. That is a very important continuum. FabricTime is at one end of the Orthodontiks continuum and LinearTime is at the other. In the domain of FabricTime there is no past, no present, and no future. There is only the Now. In this part of Orthodontiks, the claim to uniqueness does not exist; as such, individuality does not exist. There are no differences... only sameness. Then, as we move along the different points of the Orthodontiks continuum, more and more there is less sameness and more differences. It seems that each point of the continuum becomes a barrier wherein what was does not contend with what is now. Finely, we arrive at the other end of the Orthodontiks continuum wherein there is a past, there is a present, and there is a future. Yes, we have arrived in the domain of LinearTime. Another difference between FabricTime and LinearTime is that In FabricTime, FabricSpace is already filled with an illusion that is common to all residents. That is why all there is is sameness. In LinearTime, LinearSpace is only partly filled an ongoing illusion. That partly filled illusion is what we call That Which Is Real. The rest, the missing part of the illusion is what allows for the claim to uniqueness... It, the missing parts of the illusion, becomes the stage upon which different games are allow to be played. It is where the mind of the individuals supply whatever their games require. Thus, each sees a different thing as they look out from their window of The World Of Alfa. Thus, LinearTime/LinearSpace is what gives man the illusion of individuality.

DUNCAN: Aye, Aye, Aye... what fine traps we weave. The second of which is multidimensional.

THERRY: Not multidimensional, but multi-dimensions. Its the dimensions themselves that are formed.

DUNCAN: Ok. Wherein within each dimension the original pattern is repeated. It being only slightly altered to accommodate the difference in dimension wherein the time/space continuum has also changed proportionally to the change in dimension.

THERRY: Right.

DUNCAN: The ration being exact within Dialusion.

THERRY: Right.

DUNCAN: i.e., it is a very specific ratio between the time/space continuum and the aspect of creation within each dimension and that time and space, rather in that time and space becomes a greater barrier as creation descends.

THERRY: Aha--

DUNCAN: It reaches the point where time becomes the greater of the two barriers--

THERRY: And, there is a phenomenon that occurs that the laws appear to reverse themselves as you cross each of the boundaries.

DUNCAN: As the descent continues more obstructions are created given greater boundaries on to illusions.

THERRY: Right.

DUNCAN: Thus, reality is form given each the illusion of absolute freedom. While there is Karma in Orthodontiks, there is also full awareness. There are no veils. They are free as fleas. Therefore one knows more fully what one is getting into.

THERRY: Yep.

DUNCAN: Ok, so now then, in the what if/ but scenario --

THERRY: You see up there, there are no barriers, no veils of forgetfulness the way it is down here. There is nothing to mare you from understanding. Over here all kinds of things, veils of invisibility, veils of forgetfulness, selective forgetting, all kinds of things are down here to prevent you from knowing everything there is around you. Up there, it doesn't exist that way. Time and space doesn't exist the way it does down here. So the you that is up there is aware of everything all at once! I mean, its like being one with all things. There is no me, there is no you, there is not it, there is they, it's just ALL. Go ahead--

DUNCAN: So within that it seems like in the "What if,/but" scenario, if they're fully aware of all these things, and they still decided to go through with this, I'm wondering where it is that they made their mistake. Did they make their mistake once they already decided--

THERRY: Well, if you remember the "What if/but" scenario, they purposely created falsehoods and descended into them, and, as a result of that, bemusement created even more falsehoods.

DUNCAN: But wait a minute, are you saying that the very fact that they created falsehoods...

THERRY: In short, they created veils of forgetfulness. They didn't use all the laws as they were. The laws, some were twisted and changed, others was (sic) obliterated totally, others were just not used in their creation of the new creation called reality. What?

DUNCAN: It seems like--

THERRY: Their creator--

DUNCAN: I'd just have to assume that they had a different idea about how were going to turn out than the way things are now.

THERRY: That's doubtful.

DUNCAN: You mean they knew that everything was going to end up like this.

THERRY: It's quite possible--

DUNCAN: And they did it anyway?

THERRY: Sure.

DUNCAN: That's completely childish! I can't understand why anybody would want to do that, knowing full well the results.

THERRY: Well, if you understand that in the very long, long, long run it doesn't matter--

DUNCAN: Well, I can understand somebody saying that if it doesn't matter then let somebody else go do it--

THERRY: No, no, no, now you're thinking from this point of view. But if you understand from that point of view, it doesn't matter if you get trapped, 'cause eventually you'll get set free anyway. You get into what from this level is called the absurdities of creation, the absurdities of life. Nothing doesn't really matter because no matter what you do, eventually you're going to find yourself back to Primedialness, because you never left it to begin with. So, there's a waking up from a bad dream experience, hence the Ancients used the word "Maya" which means a dream.

DUNCAN: Yeah, but from that point of view, if you take it from that point of view down here, aren't you going to be into a lot of situations?

THERRY: Of course you are.

DUNCAN: So, I don't get it then.

THERRY: Because you insist on thinking from this point of view.

DUNCAN: Well, I can see that point of view--but I don't understand how it works.

THERRY: You cannot understand it from this point of view. You cannot understand it from this level. In order to understand it, you have to go back to that level. And obviously, that's what this whole thing is all about, getting back to that level. Getting free of Maya. You got to remember that Maya was created on many different levels. Originally, when it first started they were aware of everything. Absolutely everything. But once they started descending into Maya, they started losing, because they didn't have the original. But that didn't matter to them because they were still creating their reality. So that as they descended into their reality they were losing more and more and more. And the more they were losing, the less they could foretell what was going to happen. And as they started descending into their creations, veils started to pop up and they would know nothing about them--they were not aware of them, because they were losing more and more of their origins--more and more of their old reality, so from that point onward as these veils started popping up they would know nothing about them, because they had lost most of their Godliness. And from that point on they still kept creating and hence they created all the way down to where we are now. Hence the phrase, "It is Orthodontiksly self-imposed."

DUNCAN: Well, I still...

THERRY: If you watch life on this level, you see how people create things for themselves, and they don't know half the time what they are creating, because they are bemused. Its the same pattern. The pattern--

DUNCAN: Well, I can understand that once they get into Maya, or even once there's only a tiny little bit of it, I can see how they've had it... they've more or less had it--because once they did one thing, that was it--

THERRY: That's right... and, that's what the whole idea is. The "What if/but" is that whole thing total. They created their illusion and descended into it. From that point on, they were lost, because they kept losing their Godliness.

DUNCAN: Well, I didn't think--I thought that they had thought a different idea about how things were going to turn out. I thought it was--because from what I read, it was the intended program became a circus of horrors, so to me that implied that they had an idea that it was going to be different.

THERRY: No, they intended it to be a playground. And to them it was a playground. Remember they're immortal. Nothing can ever happen to them. So it doesn't matter what occurs, its a playground. Its not until they descend into their creations that it becomes illusions and hence becoming reality. Now its no longer a playground. That's why we say that the patterns of creation are going on still in the exact same way--because people are still creating things for themselves without paying any attention whatsoever to any of the binding laws around them. Exactly the same way.

DUNCAN: I can't --

THERRY: From this level you're not. Well, the point is that the pattern is continuing.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I can see that. I just wonder what would happen if I could walk around the rest of my life and realize--yeah looking at it from that level I'm immortal and this a playground. I mean what would that bring about?

THERRY: Well, its not conducive to this reality. Because you got to remember there's many levels of descent... so, by the time you get to this level--and from this level, the trap is pretty well sprung over and over again. So you've got a long way to go before you can get back up there.

DUNCAN: It's a strange way of thinking about it, because its almost like, on the one hand, it a part of me that created it, but on the other hand, I can say I can really think about it with respect to, well, if I created it and if this is my playground, it ain't going to work.

THERRY: Of course not, because you got to remember that once you descended into illusion, and became wrapped into the Cocoon of Maya, from that point on it is no longer your creation. You've now become the victim of the laws that you evoke. Remember the law? You can use your free-will to choose a game, but once the game is evoked, you are now governed by the laws of the chosen game. You no longer have free-will. It is the laws of the chosen game that now governs all the possibilities and all the allowable limits.

DUNCAN: So what's the point then--so when you get there to have a good laugh about all the aggravation that you've caused yourself.

THERRY: Again, now you're thinking from this point of view... of the absurdity of the whole thing.

DUNCAN: Well, what else is there.

THERRY: Many people in life begin to see that and they commit suicide because everything to them becomes absurd. There is a great danger there, because they delude themselves. They lose track. So there is a danger of coming face to face with the absurdity of creation, and they usually can't handle that pain, because here they are caught in something that to them does not matter... but, yet, they have no control over it, so it does matter--but, yet, it doesn't matter. So they're caught in a Catch 22 type thing to such a high degree that nothing that they can do can satisfy their yearning to return to their higher former selves.

DUNCAN: Yeah, as the Existentialists say, "Why?"

THERRY: Yeah.

DUNCAN: It's not really, because it is--

THERRY: Exactly. It's ironically absurd.

DUNCAN: But I still don't understand--I mean you say I shouldn't ask the question of what the point is?

THERRY: No, because--no, no. I'm saying you should not ask that question, only because that question from this level can never be answered.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Don't even think of trying to bother trying to understand why the descend occurred. That's beyond the scope of where you're at. The only thing that is of consideration now is not why you got to where you are, because obviously why you got there does not matter. The point now is how to get the hell out of it. So, concern yourself only with the rise, not with the fall. Its obvious that a great majority of the fall has to do with the bemusement and with the excessive ego, etc. Simply refusing to be aware and refusing to take into consideration all of the laws that are in effect. Okay.

DUNCAN: I've noticed that at this level it's a dream but it doesn't feel that way.

THERRY: No. Understand the nature of reality. Reality is such that there is no past, there is no future. There is only the presence. Notice I said the presence, not the present, the reason being is that your awareness factor is here now, it is present so therefore it is the presence of your awareness factor that causes reality to be. Now because of this, it doesn't matter what level that presence is on, that's all there is. All the others are alter realities. That's why when you're in the process, what we would call a dream, during that presence, that's all there is. The dream is the now and this level or other levels or other awareness, they become the alter -realities that only reside within our mind. That is the reason that during the period that you're dreaming, it is just as real to you then as this is real to you now. Can you understand that?

DUNCAN: Yeah, but it doesn't seem like it. That's been my experience.

THERRY: What d'ya mean it doesn't seem like it?

DUNCAN: Well, the few times where I've had experiences where I've become aware in a dream--

THERRY: But that's different now--now you're talking about becoming aware.

DUNCAN: I don't get it, what d'ya mean?

THERRY: Okay. Think for a minute. During the time that you do not have Bi-location, Bi-awareness--

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: --during that time.

DUNCAN: Just an ordinary dream, is that what you're saying?

THERRY: No. It's A Happening, of which is the only thing--when you have no awareness of this reality. Well, during the time where you have no awareness of any other reality save the one that you're in, that is just as real to you then as this reality is real to you now. But once you begin becoming aware of other realities, then things begin to change. Likewise, when you're in this reality, you're aware of other realities, such as the dream, such as the laboratory, and the more realities that you become aware of, the more things are different.

DUNCAN: What d'ya mean the more things are different?

THERRY: Well, you no longer have the train of thought of this is all there is. There's more to it. There's more to life, there's more to experience, there's more to Maya. But, for those who do not have those awareness, this is all there is. The same way as during the dream, that is all there is. Can you understand that?

DUNCAN: Um, I think so.

THERRY: That makes sense to you.

DUNCAN: Um, yeah.

THERRY: Any further questions on it?

DUNCAN: Um. So lets say somebody who starts doing Astration or something. Can they get to the point that even though they're on this level and they're doing whatever they're doing during the day, that they have that feeling that you get when you wake up during a dream?

THERRY: Yes, of course.

DUNCAN: --where everything feels like a dream though they're on this level?

THERRY: Sure. That's the beginnings of Bi-location.

DUNCAN: From the other viewpoint?

THERRY: Right.

DUNCAN: Instead of doing from this point of view you do it from that other reality's point of view?

THERRY: Right you have that dual awareness. See those are beginnings of dual awareness. Now it's possible to have tri-awareness.

DUNCAN: Is it possible to have as many awarenesses as you want?

THERRY: Well, man on this level thus far is not developed enough to have any more than tri-awareness. It is few who have tri-awareness, but quite a few have dual awareness, dual awareness is common.

DUNCAN: When you say dual awareness, d'ya mean at all times?

THERRY: No, sporadically. There are many people who have dual awareness and don't know what it is happening to them... and, because they're lacking reference points, they actually drive themselves crazy or they are driven crazy because of the lack of reference points. This is because with dual awareness its like having the Martian syndrome. One minute you're in this reality, then the next minute its the other reality that's the dominant and this is the dream. Then again with no seeming cause, this becomes the dominant reality and the other reality becomes a wisp. And without the individual really happening or without anybody present that understands what is happening, to give the individuals the proper reference points, very quickly they go nuts.

DUNCAN: Also they probably--

THERRY:--A good percent of schizophrenia starts that way.

DUNCAN: And they get rejected in both realities because they don't know the laws of either one.

THERRY: Yes, exactly, and for a period, they are caught in both world, but are welcomed in neither. The ultimate rejection, so to speak, so they just withdraw.

DUNCAN: Dual awareness, you're just aware of two different levels, whatever those two levels might be?

THERRY: And they don't have to be right next to one another.

DUNCAN: Right, they can be separated by--

THERRY: --By various barriers.

DUNCAN: And tri-awareness is just the same thing except you're aware of three levels?

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: The funny part is however, is that the funny feeling that you get comes from the inconsistencies of the two or three sets of laws with reference to each other. There are vast differences. Whereas with respect to each level, those laws are solid. But compared to one another, they become very inconsistent, hence that strange feeling, because inwardly each of part of you realizes that each set of laws is valid absolutely, but its valid for each level and when you compare them altogether with reference to one another it becomes very absurd, hence that very strange feeling that you have.

DUNCAN: Can I ask you a question about that?

THERRY: Yeah.

DUNCAN: I mean in the one dream where that happened to me, pretty much strongly, I remember it was funny, but the only thing that I remember that was funny was--cause somebody asked me how did you get there and I didn't know, and I thought the fact that I didn't know was humorous. So is that the inconsistency of the laws?

THERRY: No, that's simply, your limitations of awareness. Even though you were aware that you got there from someplace else, you didn't have full, complete dual awareness. You simply had the beginnings of dual awareness. Enough that you knew that you came from someplace else, but you didn't know where that someplace else was. Whereas when you have true dual awareness, you have the actual history of both places. In this particular case, you only had the history of one, and it was aware of that one existence, but you didn't have its history with you, that's why it was strange.

DUNCAN: Well, I want to ask you about this other experience, it happened to me a long time ago. I don't know if you--it shouldn't be right--?

THERRY: Wait a minute, I want to set the tape again.

DUNCAN: Okay. Way back when I was dealing with psychedelic drugs and hadn't experienced where I was running down in the forest or whatever and my mind was still with me enough that everything was distorted, but I knew where I was in reality. And then all of a sudden it flipped over to where I was still aware of everything around me, but for some reason, whether it was a feeling or whatever, but I was completely convinced and it completely felt like a dream does and I was wondering what the relation it has (sic) to what we were talking about.

THERRY: Well, first, because it is drug-induced there's no way of knowing whether it were simply the electric discharges of your memory patterns as opposed to a true awareness. Can you understand that?

DUNCAN: I don't know what you mean by the electric discharges of the memory patterns.

THERRY: The mind, or the brain rather, has stored within it synapses of all the experiences that you have ever had.

DUNCAN: All the way back to Orthodontiks to all--?

THERRY: All the way back to Orthodontiks? Okay? Now, because the physical body runs on chemicals, the chemical reactions in the brain triggers what we call memory and it also at the same time trigger what we call vision and once more it pairs the two together. Now because of certain drug inducements, a lot of times those pairings don't match quite right, hence the dream effect. Also, a lot of times, if it's drug-induced, there's no guarantee that it was a true experience. It could simply be the discharge of the electrons bringing forth ancient memories or older memories. That's one of the reasons why I dislike drugs so much. Because there's no validity to them. They do more harm than good. Does that answer it?

DUNCAN: Yeah. If I understand things correctly, it seems like some of the entities descended into Maya, but some of them didn't.

THERRY: Yeah, okay, from that point of view, that's correct.

DUNCAN: So, why did some of them decide not to?

THERRY: You'll have to ask them. You have to ask them.

DUNCAN: Well, who are they. Can I get in touch with any of them?

THERRY: (Laugh). Now you're being silly.

DUNCAN: Well, I don't get it, because in the beginning I felt that it was all a mistake that got out of control or whatever. Then it seemed reasonable that some were to be intelligent enough to realize that it ain't going to work or it ain't going to be what you think it is and didn't go. But now you give me the new viewpoint that they probably knew that it was going to end up this way, but they figured that it didn't matter, because they were immortal anyway. But now I can't figure out what was in the minds of those who didn't go. I'd have to ask that. Are they the ones who created the Brotherhood of the Chain?

THERRY: Yeah.

DUNCAN: So why can't I just ask you?

THERRY: To answer you would not help you understand something that comes from another level of awareness. That would be useless information.

DUNCAN: You mean that would be the reply or that's what you would be giving me.

THERRY: That would be my reply.

DUNCAN: The other night, you were working with me on another level, then it suddenly stopped. I was kicked back down to this level... and was even awaken from the dream, itself. I asked you why it stopped... why was I seemingly kicked out of the experience... did I get enough in this experience? And the second time I reentered the experience it more or less just ended. And you said it was because of the things that were happening up there, and I said what d'ya mean? And you said from your viewpoint--

THERRY: You weren't serious enough about the awareness factor and gaining information. You were just interested in going through the scenario rather than gaining things out of it on multi-levels. So we just let it happen for just a little while and then we shut it off. In short, we said if you're going to play, come down here and play.

DUNCAN: Oh, limitations again.

THERRY: With respect to man descending upon earth to control emotions or adapt emotions--

DUNCAN: Adapt?

THERRY: Yes, you have to bear in mind that many dimensions have various experiences attached to them. Likewise many solar systems have various experiences adapted to them. And many planets have experiences adapt to them. So when you say that you're in the earth experience, its another way of saying that you're in the emotions or the emotional experience. Therapists take care of the emotionals.

DUNCAN: Is it a representation of gross matter or this planet itself.

THERRY: This planet or physical earth. This particular planet.

DUNCAN: So its not--?

THERRY: Its not all physical earth, but this specific earth and there's three others. The experience here is emotions. The ability to feel wisdom without thinking wisdom. The mobility of transition. Does that answer your question. If you're on another planet or another level and the experience there may not be emotions, depending on which one there are. It could be vision or it could be another aspect of awareness. Some of it... it could be touch, others could be sight, others could be smell. But the earth experience itself, its the emotions.

DUNCAN: And just this specific earth, not earth as a representation of the descent into gross matter.

THERRY: But understand, the descent into gross matter while it is many--varied, you know it's as diverse hell. This is not the only earth.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I can understand that.

THERRY: So all earth itself, especially this planet, but all earth is the disappearance of emotions.

DUNCAN: What d'ya mean when you say all earth? All of that is--

THERRY: Okay, there are many planets whereon there is life.

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: Not all of them would be called earth.

DUNCAN: What is it that would differentiate them though--

THERRY: The laws are slightly different. The experience is different. In some, the primary experience to be dealt with is vision, others its a sense of touch. But this particular planet is especially viable for the emotions. If an individual is ever going to master the emotions, this is the planet that they are going to have to do it on. Other earths, while they deal with emotions, its slightly different--radically different as a matter of fact. But it is slightly different. This planet here specifically is the one for mastering the emotions. Figure that when you descended into the earth experience you put on a suit called the emotions and you had to have it fit you. But unfortunately, you had to see different tailors, because some tailors work on some sleeve, others work on another sleeve--but to get all of it together to fit you, this is the planet that you do it on.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Alright?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: This is the place where you learn to use emotions as mobility as opposed to strictly a force to reckon with. Understand that the planet itself is not unique, although it is the only place that deals specifically with that aspect of emotions. It is man who is unique and it is man who brings that uniqueness with him to this planet to deal with it. So even though this is the only planet in creation where you have this particular set of experiences, you still can't say that it is unique. This planet itself is not. You deal with emotions on many other planets as well. So you can't say that earth is unique. It is man that is unique. Alright?

DUNCAN: So now if man is unique--

THERRY: Yeah--man is unique.

DUNCAN: What do you mean is unique? --as the biological or...

THERRY: Man is unique under all circumstances. Not only is the first thought different and therefore is Arkashea different for each individual. Each cell of his creation is also different. No two is the same under any conditions, under any reasons. They have similarities only in that they are human and even in their humanness, there is a greater difference between any two humans than there are differences between the species of humanoids. There is far more difference between two humans of earth than there is between two families or two species of the family of man. Can you understand that.

DUNCAN: No, I don't think so, I mean something is not clicking here.

THERRY: Well, if you take any two humans arbitrarily, pick any two--there is more of a difference between those two than there is a difference between let's say man of earth versus man of Alfa Centauri.

DUNCAN: Why is that so?

THERRY: Because of the-- that's their claim to uniqueness. The same way as if you take two humanoids from Alfa Centauri there would be more of a difference between those two than there would be between the species again. The only difference between the two species of the family of man is that they belong between two different points of the continuum on the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing, and that's all there is as far as the differences.

DUNCAN: Alright, so I don't understand why what it is that makes this the planet where the emotions are dealt with.

THERRY: Does that really matter? If we were to say that its really another planet, and you went to that other planet would you ask the same question, why is this planet the one?

DUNCAN: Yeah. Well, why is any planet the one? I don't get it.

THERRY: Well, isn't that the nature of creation? I mean, why not ask the question, why is the sky blue... why does it have to be blue? Why can't it be red?

DUNCAN: People ask that question all the time.

THERRY: Its the nature of the creation. Certain pairings bring about certain sets, certain conditions, where only certain conditions can exist. For instance, if your pairings bring together a flower, water, eggs, well, there's only just so many things that you can get out of that. Obviously, you can't get a cement buildings out of those pairings. Correct?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: That's why. The combination of pairings creates certain potentials and they can't go beyond that. Does that answer your question?

DUNCAN: Hmmm--I'm to formulate something else just to help me clarify it. So when you say that-- If I remember correct, that man brings the uniqueness to this planet.

THERRY: Yes, it is man that brings uniqueness to this planet. The planet itself is not unique.

DUNCAN: I don't understand. What aspect of man are you talking about.

THERRY: All aspects of man. Man as a whole. The individualism in man separates him far more than the differences between the species of the family of man.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I understand that--I don't know, I guess I'm trying to find out what it is that makes this planet so well-suited for that aspect of the emotions.

THERRY: It's a combination of The pairings and the fact that each can, in his own way, fill in the missing part of the illusion of common reality. You'll understand that far more as you become more aware as we take you more and more into alter-realities.

DUNCAN: So does it have to do with the nature of the stage upon which we play our games?

THERRY: As a matter of fact-- I tell you what, for the next couple of days when you get up in the astral try to remember this conversation and look around you and notice what set of experiences is there as opposed to what it is here. Remember the last time when I asked you if you got what you needed out of that experience up there before we shut it off?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: This is what we were trying to teach you then. It is because that you wasn't (sic) learning it that we decided to shut it off and bring you back to earth.

DUNCAN: So I guess I didn't learn everything--

THERRY: So I guess we'll try again.

DUNCAN: Alright. (Laugh). Now I'm more confused.

THERRY: Now make it a point to remember to bring this piece of data with you when next you travel. And when you find yourself, wherever you find yourself, take note of the presence or absence of the emotions in the same vein as they are here. And you'll note that if you're on various levels, depending, the emotions won't be the source of most things, it'll be something else. And once you remember that then take a close watch of the pairings of that reality and you'll be able to compare it with the pairings of this reality and that will answer your question for you.

DUNCAN: The pairings is something else. I still kind of feel kind of shaky on it. I don't know. Maybe I'm trying to read more into it than there was there.

THERRY: No, there's a hell of a lot into pairings. There's one way that you understand everything of the pairings this quickly. You just began working with pairings. So in many aspects right now, you might know about them, but there's no way that you can divine the ramifications of those pairings, especially on the high karmic levels. We'll be giving you more and more opportunities to experience that in those astral states.

DUNCAN: Okay, so for now, the first thing to do is to try to take note of the emotions and the lack of them and what they bring about?

THERRY: Right. Right. You'll find that in some realities, touch will be more important than emotions. Over here it seems that emotions is what everything revolves around. You'll find in another area in which you often go into touch will be the thing that everything revolves around and still another area, vision is what things revolve around. Notice that. And notice the pairings in that reality and then compare it to this one and that will answer your questions why this is unique. --in that sense only.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Okay?

DUNCAN: It says here--in the eons of time as followed the pattern of creation continued. Only small specifics were changed before the pattern repeated itself on another level. Thus was it the original pattern continued while bringing about diversity that would itself create multi-states of awareness within the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing. And I was wondering if my interpretation of this was correct. And I'll tell you what it is. When it says, "while bringing about diversity that would itself--" does that mean that the diversity itself is in multi-states of awareness?

THERRY: Yes--No, not is the multi-state but will bring about the multi-states. In other words, it's something that created something, but, because of the nature of what was created it brings forth differences. That's like-- I'll create any equation "X plus 1" but every time I use that equation I'll end up with no two things the same. Hence X plus 1 will give me, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 etceteras.

DUNCAN: Well, what does it mean while bringing about diversity. What is diversity? I mean I know what the word means but--

THERRY: What does the word mean?

DUNCAN: It means different parts.

THERRY: --and change. Basically, it brings about change, does it not?

DUNCAN: No, I never related change to the word diversity.

THERRY: Okay, get a dictionary. Read the definition of diversity.

DUNCAN: "Diversity--state or fact of being diverse. A point of difference.

THERRY: Isn't that change?

DUNCAN: Well, if I look at the definition of diversity, it says "of a different kind, character."

THERRY: Isn't that change?

DUNCAN: Well--I guess from the viewpoint of creation, yeah.

THERRY: Isn't that what we're supposed to be looking at, from the viewpoint of creation?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Well, okay, here where they say multi-states of awareness within the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing. Are they talking about the--

THERRY: Aren't they talking about the points along the continuum of the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing?

DUNCAN: Yeah, in all directions.

THERRY: Right.

DUNCAN: Then, a little further down here it says "finally, the physical universe as we know it came into being." With its creation came the pattern of multi-states of matter, thus we had the solid, the liquid and the gas. And I was wondering if it wasn't until the physical universe came into being that we got the pattern of multi-states of physical matter?

THERRY: Correct. Because, in order to have a change in something you have to have that something first. How can you have matter first without first creating the physical universe... still, on another train of thought, If we consider the vein of creation from a different point, we can also consider the recursiveness aspects of the creation of matter... wherein that which has not yet been created limits or modifies the possibilities of what can be created.

DUNCAN: So when they say the physical universe here they mean everything below Orthodontiks?

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: So that was a misconception there. I was thinking of this close, physical universe.

THERRY: That's just part of it.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Is that it?

DUNCAN: No, I got another question. I'm not sure of the difference-- It seems to me--I'm not sure of the difference between density, state and frequency.

THERRY: They overlap because it is a fabric. Because there is a very specific mathematical relationship, if you change one thing you imply a change in all.

DUNCAN: Yeah, well it seems like one would be a more fundamental thing than the other.

THERRY: Depends on which level the point of communications are. If you're talking about gross matter, when you're talking about the weight, if you increase or decrease the weight, obviously you're automatically increasing or decreasing volume irrespective of the shape of that volume. Equally as obvious, you may or you may not be talking about mass.

DUNCAN: I don't know. I thought whenever you decreased the--

THERRY: Really--the mass of the star as opposed to the of pumice-- wouldn't you say that has a lot to do with density? If you have an actual, absolute square inch of the mass of a star and an absolute square inch of a pumice stone--

DUNCAN: Yeah, that's density, but that's not mass itself.

THERRY: Of course it is.

DUNCAN: No, because density is mass divided by volume. I mean I don't see the point you're making. I know that they are different densities.

THERRY: Yes, but we're talking as it applies to Creation.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: And therefore as it applies to the gravitational time waves.

DUNCAN: Well--

THERRY: See that's why I say that it depends on the level, the point, the purpose.

DUNCAN: I think that--

THERRY: Well--

DUNCAN: I mean I understood when you said that they're all twice so that it was hard to say which was which and then I lost you.

THERRY: To determine the effects of which facet, it depends on which point of Creation you're at. Remember, it's all relationships that exist with/between each other.

DUNCAN: Well, let's say from what I'm familiar with. I don't really know how to describe it, but could I take that as my reference point?

THERRY: Okay then, point out, give me a very specific comparison. In other words--

DUNCAN: Alright, I have a cube of gold.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: It has a certain state. It's solid, but thereby it has a certain frequency, because its frequency went out it would turn to liquid. And also it has a certain density because it's density got less it would turn into liquid and not a gas, so I can't figure out what the difference is between frequency, density and--

THERRY: Oh, no you made an error here. You had a cube of gold and you heated it up, it would still have the same density, it would still be gold.

DUNCAN: Not when it was gold.

THERRY: Yes, it would still be gold.

DUNCAN: Not when it was liquid.

THERRY: Yes, it would still be gold.

DUNCAN: Even if it was gas it would still have the same density?

THERRY: No, between--you're talking between solid to fluid, it would still be gold. The only-- and even if it were gas, and you contained the same volume, it would still be gold.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I know.

THERRY: The only thing that you would be changing would be the bonds.

DUNCAN: So, you're saying that it would still have the same density?

THERRY: Not if it were gas, but if it were fluid, you would still have the same density.

DUNCAN: Well, why would it be the same density if it was gas?

THERRY: The only way it would have the same density is if you did not change the volume. See, the idea of gas is that you're changing volumes, so obviously now you're adding something else into it.

DUNCAN: Well, I thought that when you went into a liquid you slightly changed the volume.

THERRY: Not at all, not at all. You are simply changing the shape... you change the bond.

DUNCAN: Well, that could change the volume.

THERRY: No, for instance if you have a square inch, a cube, a perfect cube of gold, you heat it up, you're still not going to end up with any more than a square inch--a square cube of gold. Once its cooled back down again, you're still going to have exactly the same as what you've started with, its just going to be a different shape... the shape of the container that holds it.

DUNCAN: No. Well, wait a minute. No, because wait, because why does ice expand. Ice will take up more room than water. Because that's a different density.

THERRY: Because ice has an element common to the atmosphere which it absorbs, called oxygen, so water when it freezes is no longer just H20.

DUNCAN: Well, then everything does that because as far I know, from what I learned in chemistry, all liquids, when they freeze, will either expand or contract slightly, one or the two.

THERRY: They'll do that one way or the other.

DUNCAN: Yeah, so that means that their density changed. Cause the same amount of mass is going to occupy a smaller or bigger volume.

THERRY: Okay, I--I understand the point that you're making, you're seeing it from... Okay, from that point, yeah.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: But you haven't changed its frequency.

DUNCAN: Well, you change the frequencies by releasing the bonds, haven't you?

THERRY: You haven't changed its frequency. It will still have the frequency of gold. Remember, all things exists within bands of frequencies. The closeness or the looseness of the bonds my change a little, but that slight change does not reclassify.

DUNCAN: Well, how can you change that frequency?

THERRY: By changing the bonds beyond the bandwidth that is known as gold.

DUNCAN: You mean if its already gas, you've changed its frequency and its no longer gold?

THERRY: No, its still the same frequency.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I agree, but I don't see your point.

THERRY: Well--

DUNCAN: I mean you make it sound like I'm making a special case out of it, and I don't see why and what I'm doing.

THERRY: Well, no its not a special case, in that see density and frequency--and there was something else that you mentioned--

DUNCAN: State--

THERRY: No, state is--Okay. State is confusing because its--it depends on what it is you're talking about at the time.

DUNCAN: --compared to multi-states of matter, solid, liquid and gas. Well, to me those have to be states. They also have to be levels of density and levels of frequency as well as levels of states.

THERRY: Because it is a fabric, its all a part. When you use one, you imply the other.

DUNCAN: Yes so,--I don't get it. I don't see where any of them are independent at all. And if they're not independent, why do we have three different names for them.

THERRY: Yeah, but they are independent. When you talking about pairings, state makes a difference when you talk about pairings. So is density and so is volume. For instance, if you're specific--if you have a specific volume +/- something... and a specific density +/- something that is going to determine the form with which you are going to create in order to experience the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing.

DUNCAN: What do you mean if you have? What does the you refer to?

THERRY: We're speaking about pairings for creation's sake. Depending on your size, which is your volume and your density, your form, depending on all of things-- its going to depend-- determine to a big extent if you have a hard shelled insect, rather if you have a hard shell and a soft center or a hard center, soft shell. Its going to determine which of the many oxygenation processes that you're going to use, its going to determine many other fluid controls of the body, both expulsion as well as intake. Its going to determine your food, the food subject matter itself etc.

DUNCAN: Well, I can understand that but.

THERRY: Well, that's why they become important. Remember--

DUNCAN: I can't understand the difference between the three though. I mean I can see why they're important, but I don't' understand--

THERRY: Well, from their importance try to go backwards. For instance, mass, that's the force of time and gravity.

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: Would you expect something that had the mass of a star to walk on water?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Would you expect something that had the mass of gas to live under a rock?

DUNCAN: Ah, not on this planet.

THERRY: That's the whole point, isn't it.

DUNCAN: Yeah, but I don't understand why you're bringing mass into it.

THERRY: Because mass has got to do with density.

DUNCAN: No, I thought--

THERRY: In other words, if something is very dense, its very packed and a little, tiny bit of it is going to be very heavy.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I understand.

THERRY: Well, obviously, if we're talking about pairings, something that's very heavy couldn't possibly live its life on the surface of water.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I understand that too.

THERRY: Well, that's the whole process, that's it exactly right there.

DUNCAN: Well, I'm not satisfied but if you tell me all these things and I understand everyone of them, and then you say that's why--

THERRY: Then what is it that you don't understand?

DUNCAN: I don't understand why we have three different names for what seems to be--needs to be-- has to be-- it seems like there's something linking all three of them together and I wonder what that is.

THERRY: The pairings.

No, between--you're talking between solid to fluid, it would still be gold. The only-- and even if it were gas, and you contained the same volume, it would still be gold.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I know.

THERRY: The only thing that you would be changing would be the bonds.

DUNCAN: So, you're saying that it would still have the same density?

THERRY: Not if it were gas, but if it were fluid, you would still have the same density.

DUNCAN: Well, why would it be the same density if it was gas?

DUNCAN: Well, I thought that when you went into a liquid you slightly changed the volume.

THERRY: Not at all, not at all. You are simply changing the shape... you change the bond.

DUNCAN: Well, that could change the volume.

DUNCAN: No. Well, wait a minute. No, because wait, because why does ice expand. Ice will take up more room than water. Because that's a different density.

THERRY: Because ice has an element common to the atmosphere which it absorbs, called oxygen, so water when it freezes is no longer just H20.

DUNCAN: Well, then everything does that because as far I know, from what I learned in chemistry, all liquids, when they freeze, will either expand or contract slightly, one or the two.

THERRY: They'll do that one way or the other.

DUNCAN: Yeah, so that means that their density changed. Cause the same amount of mass is going to occupy a smaller or bigger volume.

THERRY: Okay, I--I understand the point that you're making, you're seeing it from... Okay, from that point, yeah.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: But you haven't changed its frequency.

DUNCAN: Well, you change the frequencies by releasing the bonds, haven't you?

DUNCAN: Well, how can you change that frequency?

THERRY: By changing the bonds beyond the bandwidth that is known as gold.

DUNCAN: You mean if its already gas, you've changed its frequency and its no longer gold?

THERRY: No, its still the same frequency.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I agree, but I don't see your point.

THERRY: Well--

DUNCAN: I mean you make it sound like I'm making a special case out of it, and I don't see why and what I'm doing.

THERRY: Well, no its not a special case, in that see density and frequency--and there was something else that you mentioned--

DUNCAN: State--

THERRY: No, state is--Okay. State is confusing because its--it depends on what it is you're talking about at the time.

THERRY: Because it is a fabric, its all a part. When you use one, you imply the other.

DUNCAN: Yes so,--I don't get it. I don't see where any of them are independent at all. And if they're not independent, why do we have three different names for them.

DUNCAN: What do you mean if you have? What does the you refer to?

DUNCAN: Well, I can understand that but.

THERRY: Well, that's why they become important. Remember--

DUNCAN: I can't understand the difference between the three though. I mean I can see why they're important, but I don't' understand--

THERRY: Well, from their importance try to go backwards. For instance, mass, that's the force of time and gravity.

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: Would you expect something that had the mass of a star to walk on water?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Would you expect something that had the mass of gas to live under a rock?

DUNCAN: Ah, not on this planet.

THERRY: That's the whole point, isn't it.

DUNCAN: Yeah, but I don't understand why you're bringing mass into it.

THERRY: Because mass has got to do with density.

DUNCAN: No, I thought--

THERRY: In other words, if something is very dense, its very packed and a little, tiny bit of it is going to be very heavy.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I understand.

THERRY: Well, obviously, if we're talking about pairings, something that's very heavy couldn't possibly live its life on the surface of water.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I understand that too.

THERRY: Well, that's the whole process, that's it exactly right there.

DUNCAN: Well, I'm not satisfied but if you tell me all these things and I understand everyone of them, and then you say that's why--

THERRY: Then what is it that you don't understand?

THERRY: The pairings.

DUNCAN: Then I don't understand.

THERRY: Okay, name the three.

DUNCAN: Volume, state, and density.

THERRY: Alright, can you see that density is independent from volume? Volume simply means the overall space that its going to take.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Density simply means how much or how little that same space is going to be packed.

DUNCAN: Well how about state, what's the difference between those two.

THERRY: State would mean the malleability of a creation... to a great extent it will mean the rigidness of the bonds. An amoebae has a totally different state than a human being because its whole body structure is rather gelatinous. I mean it can squeeze, get bent out of shape so terribly, bend in upon itself and do almost anything and be totally nondestructive. You do that to a man, you'll crack so many bones, that you'll destroy his life or his ability to continue life in that vessel. Can you see that? So state matters. That's why we specifically use the analogy of solid, gas and liquid. Its the state of the bond that creates matter. It's the thing--

DUNCAN: So state isn't important in terms of flexibility--

THERRY: Yes, volubility--

DUNCAN: Lets talk about life-forms now.

THERRY: Matters of creation --it doesn't matter life form--

DUNCAN: So density is important in terms of how heavy it is?

THERRY: Yes, because that determines its life style and its possibilities for environments.

DUNCAN: So volume is important in terms of size--

THERRY: Right. Can you see that each of those in its state because of the pairing--that will determine the form the body will take, the needs of the physical vehicle, the needs with respect to its environment and the suitability of environment with which it cannot survive in?

DUNCAN: It all just came together--see the thing that I wasn't realizing was that you can have pairings in inanimate matter too. That's why I couldn't understand volumes, solid and density. But that's what it is with the cube of gold too. If you have a pairing such that the density is real high, you obviously are going to have a different state.

THERRY: Exactly. The same thing with density.

DUNCAN: So its a combination of all things that is going to determine the nature of the matter.

THERRY: Right. Okay.

DUNCAN: Okay, it says here Akhenaten was visited in his visions with instructions that brought forth great visions for Arkashea. His teacher within his vision said unto him that surely with the advent of life came a sudden search of new energy. Thought--the ability to think for the sake of itself. It was the ability to direct energy for the sake of being the director. Now as I understand it the moment of Arkashea comes in Orthodontiks.

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: So the LifeForce is in Orthodontiks? As I understood it yesterday, the entities, as they made there descent into matter, was the first time that they-- they also descended into the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing. The LifeForce/MindForce Pairing was with animated matter so that they could descend into it.

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: So the LifeForce is one step below Orthodontiks.

THERRY: If you are-- see there's a seeming parody here. If you are speaking from the point of matter, solely matter, then you are speaking of LifeForce, not MindForce... and if you have definitions that say that [the] LifeForce animates matter only, then you are having reference to matter that is not animated; in that, it is not alive. However, if you have reference to animated matter, then you have reference to matter that falls into the LifeForce/MindForce Pairings... Now, with reference to you specific question, you cannot assume that thought is matter, because thought exists above the physical unit. It exists within Orthodontiks. But if you also state that thought is matter, because it is a form of energy that is also matter, then you would have to say that the thought when it is entrapped in matter, becomes under the same law. Therefore the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing would have to exist strictly outside of Orthodontiks. But if you had your thought in the former, and say that all thought is matter of some type, then you would have to say that the [the] LifeForce/MindForce Pairing also exists in Orthodontiks, but not in Primedial. The basic difference between the two is that the nature of the LifeForce component would be different... the LifeForce that exist within Orthodontiks would be different than the LifeForce that exist outside of Orthodontiks. However, the MindForce component would be the same in both conditions.

DUNCAN: Well, I think I lost you somewhere.

THERRY: Okay, see, much of it is dependent on your definition of LifeForce and its relationship to MindForce. If your definition of LifeForce says the animation of matter, then under that definition, the LifeForce doesn't exist in Orthodontiks, because you are having reference to matter that is not animated. You are having reference to the gross matter that exists outside of Orthodontiks. But if you have the definition that thought is matter, then you would be having reference to LifeForce/MindForce Pairing... then, you would have to accept the fact that [the] LifeForce/MindForce Pairing is also in existence in Orthodontiks. That's the duality of the whole discussion of creation.

DUNCAN: Oh, so what if-- Obviously there's something, it might be thought, I don't know what it would be on this level, but like we said the other day, there's something that appeared as thought in Orthodontiks, right. Well, was there something--.

THERRY: From my point of view, [the] LifeForce exists in Orthodontiks... but it's just different than the LifeForce that exists outside of Orthodontiks. But, it can't be called the LifeForce in the same sense as we call it on earth, because matter as we know it to be on earth does not exist in Orthodontiks. That's why the phrase, "as we know it" is there... because of that duality.

DUNCAN: Okay, I'll see what I can do with that. But in the meanwhile, it says here--"surely, with the advent of life"--so does that mean when Primedial split itself up or whatever it did to give all these entities free will--

THERRY: Remember you're talking about-- that sentence right there tells you that to understand creation and the fabric of creation, you have to understand both sides of that fence. You have to understand it from the limitations of matter, as well as from the limitations beginning from Orthodontiks then-- it's sort of the like the difference between the brain and the mind. Is it the brain that's alive or is it the mind that's alive.

DUNCAN: Well, I would say mind.

THERRY: In that case, you'd have to say that the LifeForce exists in Orthodontiks because the mind exists in Orthodontiks, and is housed in that which is below Orthodontiks. So you'd have to say that everything below Orthodontiks is the brain and everything else is the mind. Because once you get below Orthodontiks you now have gross matter. So that becomes the brain--that's why its that duality.

DUNCAN: So that does say, with the advent of life.

THERRY: Again when you're looking at it from the point of view that you're still in Orthodontiks--

DUNCAN: Yeah, that's the way I want to look at it--

THERRY: Here, we run into the duality that exists within Orthodontiks again. Within the domain of FabricTime, the needs of the thoughts of the residents use LifeForce to fill in the bubbles of space to create the illusion of the reality that exists there. However, in the FabricTime domain, MindForce is not trapped within matter. However, as we cross over the continuum into LinearTime domain, things are different. In the LinearTime domain, only half of the illusion is painted in the bubble of reality. That part is that which is real... it is the matter that is not animated. Thus, the individual can interact with both types of matter--animated and not animated. Thus, in a sense, you still have the very same thing. You still have the brand new creation called thoughts. The presence of this new creation opens up a whole can of worms that is totally different. Indeed, with the advent of life comes many other aspects. For one thing, freedom begins and pairings begin, as well.

DUNCAN: See it says here, "with the advent of life came the sudden surge of totally new energy--thought." So why was thought totally new? Didn't thought exist in Primedial?

THERRY: No. The potential for it was there. But thought is the potential to control energy for the sake of controlling energy. The awareness factor begins with thought. So when they say thought, what they're really saying is that that was the creation of awareness itself, independent of whoever possesses awareness.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Does that make sense to you?

DUNCAN: Yeah, I think so.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: I fine it very difficult to make changes in the people I deal with.

THERRY: But, you really can't do anything directly because you can't interfere with their freewill.You can't force lessons on them.You can't force people to listen, to learn, to grow or to change, you must be very careful never to proselytize.They must search from within their own heart.They must choose for themselves.Each individual must be allowed to seek the levels of his own Karma.Okay. Do you understand all that.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I'm not sure I understand he must seek the levels of his own Karma.

THERRY: Well, its more or less to follow his own heart, to be guided by their own precepts.If an individual is stuck, let's say, with one certain thought or emotion because of a combination of thought/emotion steering current, then if that individual's choice in his own life, for you to break that cycle and try to force him to learn won't do any good because he really won't learn.

DUNCAN: Uh-hum.

THERRY: He'll go through empty emotions for a little while to please you, but inside his heart, he'll still be the same, so therefore, everything is wasted.The only thing you serve is your own glory.The only thing you've done is try to toot your own horn, try to show the world how great you are. You haven't effected the world any.Better you remain quiet and simply be there in case the individual wants.Then the individual does come seeking true change or advice, then he will listen, and then your words won't fall on deaf ears. Okay.

DUNCAN: Uh-hum

THERRY: Go to the next one?

DUNCAN: That individual is the child that seeks to experiment his own creation.I understand that one.

THERRY: Yeah, its pretty self-evident.

DUNCAN: Allow that individual as many opportunities to grow as is needed.

THERRY: Now, there's a little catch in that one.While it is true that you must allow each individual every opportunity, that does not mean that you have to subjugate yourself to that individual and its bullshit over and over and over again.It simply means that if there must be pain, let him bear the pain, not you. Don't sacrifice yourself.Don't try to be a martyr for somebody's else's sake.If the individual insists on wallowing in the stubbornness of his own way, and if the individual insists on bringing wrong into anything, then let that individual feel his own pain, don't try to ease it, don't take it upon yourself.Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Hmmm.

THERRY: Alright.

DUNCAN: Let the channel of the communication remain open, even unto eternity as he will continue forever.So shall you allow room for said growth.

THERRY: Do you understand what that means?Even though you won't take any bullshit from the person, even though you get tired of listening to the same baloney over and over and over again, even though there are periods when you just refuse to play the people's game, you must never stop listening, you must never stop caring.Okay?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Okay? Alright?

DUNCAN: A loving parent does not forsake his slow learning child.He allows the child to search his own way the road to learning.

THERRY: That of course if self-evident.

DUNCAN: Experience is the best teacher for those who have not the word in this heart.

THERRY: Can you see what that implies? Can you see that in that one sentence they're making the separation between mortal and immortalThey're making the implication there is that... that they'll be some who come under the old way, and some who come under the new way?Just because an individual's Karma has trapped them or condemned them into "Abandon hope all ye who enter," that doesn't mean that in some way you have to be the same.You have to leave the channels open for communication.For how can the individual who learns to cry speak or learn if there is not an adequate teacher...Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Can you see that?

DUNCAN: I'm not sure what you mean about that it implies a difference between mortal and immortal.

THERRY: Well, if you remember the differences according to our usage, is that a mortal has to stand brand new each life, each cycle.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: A mortal has to learn everything the hard way.It doesn't matter how many times you may or may not teach him something.It'll go in one ear and out the other--for a long, long time.They have to find out for themselves.You could tell him for instance that there's wet paint there and he'll have to go touch it to find out for himself.Otherwise he won't accept it.His skepticism, his learning cycle(s) are just different. An immortal on the other hand does not start each thing all over again.They carry on from life to life, from cycle to cycle, from experience to experience.An immortal learns from their mistakes; earthlings do not or seldom do, lets put it that way. They usually have to learn the hard way.Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: To cast aside the individual who is caught in the stubbornness of his own way, to deny the need for opportunities for growth is not the way of peace.

THERRY: Do you have any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay, go ahead.

DUNCAN: To forsake a fellow human is to forsake yourself.

THERRY: Do you understand how that's true?

DUNCAN: Yeah, the species will be judged as a whole.

THERRY: Right.The final judgment will not come to the individual.It'll come to man, the species. Therefore if you condemn one, you condemn yourself.What is done to the least of man is done to the greatest of all men.What is done to the least of man shall be done to [the] GreatForce.For out of time, for out of issue, it can be said that the issue, Man, becomes the creation of [the] GreatForce, an issue from [the] GreatForce, and hence the Son of [the] GreatForce. It is the second manifestation of the Trinity.It is the second Manifestation of Power, it is the Unitary in its nature? Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Hmmm.I can understand some of what you're saying but not all of it. Then I don't understand.

THERRY: Okay, name the three.

DUNCAN: Volume, state, and density.

THERRY: Alright, can you see that density is independent from volume? Volume simply means the overall space that its going to take.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Density simply means how much or how little that same space is going to be packed.

DUNCAN: Well how about state, what's the difference between those two.

DUNCAN: So state isn't important in terms of flexibility--

THERRY: Yes, volubility--

DUNCAN: Lets talk about life-forms now.

THERRY: Matters of creation --it doesn't matter life form--

DUNCAN: So density is important in terms of how heavy it is?

THERRY: Yes, because that determines its life style and its possibilities for environments.

DUNCAN: So volume is important in terms of size--

THERRY: Exactly. The same thing with density.

DUNCAN: So its a combination of all things that is going to determine the nature of the matter.

THERRY: Right. Okay.

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: So the LifeForce is one step below Orthodontiks.

DUNCAN: Well, I think I lost you somewhere.

DUNCAN: Well, I would say mind.

DUNCAN: So that does say, with the advent of life.

THERRY: Again when you're looking at it from the point of view that you're still in Orthodontiks--

DUNCAN: Yeah, that's the way I want to look at it--

DUNCAN: See it says here, "with the advent of life came the sudden surge of totally new energy--thought." So why was thought totally new? Didn't thought exist in Primedial?

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Does that make sense to you?

DUNCAN: Yeah, I think so.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: I fine it very difficult to make changes in the people I deal with.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I'm not sure I understand he must seek the levels of his own Karma.

DUNCAN: Uh-hum.

DUNCAN: Uh-hum

THERRY: Go to the next one?

DUNCAN: That individual is the child that seeks to experiment his own creation.I understand that one.

THERRY: Yeah, its pretty self-evident.

DUNCAN: Allow that individual as many opportunities to grow as is needed.

DUNCAN: Hmmm.

THERRY: Alright.

DUNCAN: Let the channel of the communication remain open, even unto eternity as he will continue forever.So shall you allow room for said growth.

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Okay? Alright?

DUNCAN: A loving parent does not forsake his slow learning child.He allows the child to search his own way the road to learning.

THERRY: That of course if self-evident.

DUNCAN: Experience is the best teacher for those who have not the word in this heart.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Can you see that?

DUNCAN: I'm not sure what you mean about that it implies a difference between mortal and immortal.

THERRY: Well, if you remember the differences according to our usage, is that a mortal has to stand brand new each life, each cycle.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: To cast aside the individual who is caught in the stubbornness of his own way, to deny the need for opportunities for growth is not the way of peace.

THERRY: Do you have any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay, go ahead.

DUNCAN: To forsake a fellow human is to forsake yourself.

THERRY: Do you understand how that's true?

DUNCAN: Yeah, the species will be judged as a whole.

DUNCAN: Hmmm.I can understand some of what you're saying but not all of it.

THERRY: What parts don't you understand?

DUNCAN: The part about man being the second part of the Trinity.

THERRY: Well, if the original part is the Creator, then the second manifestation must be the created, right?Hence, it is the second part of the Trinity.Remember if it requires three, at least before any creation can occur.

DUNCAN: What's the third part.

THERRY: Mobility?The act itself, the decision, the implantation of love.Okay.

DUNCAN: What about man's being the unitary?

THERRY: The species.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: It doesn't matter what happens to the individual, if the individuals strive for themselves only, man shall perish, shall not know peace, shall destroy itself.

DUNCAN: So man will judge itself.

THERRY: Man will judge itself, that's correct.But the final judgment will come to the species, not the individual, even though Karma judges the individual harshly and the steering currents of Karma determines the cycles of life and their quality.Okay?Any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: To condemn others to the path chosen in the search for wisdom is to condemn yourself.

THERRY: That one's pretty simple, right?

DUNCAN: yes.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Such condemnation will end with the condemnation of your own chosen path as time will have its end?

THERRY: D'ya understand how?

DUNCAN: I don't... yeah, but I don't understand as time will have its end.

THERRY: Patterns repeat themselves.Remember the law, you become the things you hate, and you move or walk towards the things that you fear?So if you condemn others, time will have its end... you have judged and therefore you will be judged likely.So in another go around, you will be the very things that you have judged.So if you judge love, love is what you need.If you have judged maliciousness, pain is what you get.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Okay?

DUNCAN: It will not lead to wisdom.

THERRY: Obviously.Okay.

DUNCAN: Here, therefore, the New Covenant may be from God or from Men.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Become... become aware of one of the many visions made known to the Great Pharaoh as he placed his commandments into the heart of Pharaoh.

THERRY: Do you have any questions?

DUNCAN: What does this mean, become aware of the many visions?

THERRY: Okay, Pharaoh Akhenaten had many visions.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: One of the most important visions was the New Covenant itself, and that's what they're saying. And it begins I believe by saying what the components are.Any questions?

DUNCAN: Is this the great Pharaoh Akhenaten?

THERRY: Right.He's the only time at the time.

DUNCAN: Okay.Seek to understand the New Covenant between God and man as it is accepted into the minds of Modern Man converted again into another translation.

THERRY: Do you know what that means?

DUNCAN: To me it means that-- I guess that-- men at different times are capable of understanding things at different ways with language.

THERRY: Exactly.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: And it means too that because language changed, times changed.The brotherhood has translated from one language to another, trying to hold the spirit of the law in all of its multitudinous levels of communications and change, even though the language itself was.And now you read this in English, but when it was originally made or brought down it was not English, but yet the things that you read here are exactly, exactly, exactly what they would have been had you read it in the other languages.Absolutely nothing has been taken away and absolutely nothing has been added.The spirit of the meaning is there exactly.That's why we will call the Lockkeeper's role, cause we still contain the law. Okay?

DUNCAN: Take into your hearts the precepts of understanding.

THERRY: That's the first proponent? of the New Covenant.Isn't that another way of saying, "have an understanding heart?"

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.I thought it often meant--

THERRY: Be willing to change?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm-- and try to live your life according to the law.

THERRY: Exactly.All of those.Again if you notice, each thing will have a different message as you change your level.Go ahead.

DUNCAN: Take into your heart the pain which understanding brings.

THERRY: That's the second component.D'ya understand what that means?

DUNCAN: To me it only means that the pain-- part of change?

THERRY: Well, there's more to it than that.When it says take into your heart the pain that understanding brings, that means feel empathy, don't become cold.Learn to cry, and use that crying for understanding's sake.Try to understand the pain that the individual is going through as he or she is living his experiences.Understand that it is their pain that causes them to do the things that they do, and understand that as you do take these proponents into your heart, you yourself become painfully restricted in your thoughts, in your actions, and above all things, your judgments.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: You become very, very limited... you can no longer abide by your own emotions, your own judgments, your own values.Because if you do, you judge yourself wrong and judge them very badly.Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Take into your heart the burden of time's wisdom.

THERRY: Do you understand what that means?Can you see that its just another way of saying or asking a question, does it really matter where truth comes from so long as it is truth?Does it really matter where kindness, who extends a hand, so long as it is truly kindness? Does it really matter where love comes from so long as it is a pure love?If a drunk, a thief or any unaccepted untouchables comes and gives you a piece of wisdom, does that make the wisdom less true because it is an untouchable who gave it to you?If an untouchable gives you a word of truth and then a king of great renown comes afterwards and gives you that same word of truth, does that truth become more true because its given to you by that king?Is it not equal in stature?Does truth not stand alone?Does that truth change because it comes from the lips of someone who you care for as opposed from the lips of someone who you dislike?Can you see where it means all those things?

DUNCAN: I can understand the things that you're saying but I don't --but not in the context of these words.I don't know, I don't understand how to use this--So--

THERRY: What time?

DUNCAN: Take into your heart the burden of time's wisdom.

THERRY: Okay, if-- is it always easy for you to change?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Do you find often that in order for you to change, you have to look at things from different perspectives.So therefore in order for you to change in time you've gained wisdom from many places, right?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmmm.

THERRY: Well, is it not a burden to be absolutely fair?Isn't it often very, very much a distasteful thing to be totally just, to condemn a just man because of a truth that as an untouchable they're giving you?Let's say you have your sister, okay?And if somebody who was an absolute piece of trash came up to you and said, "Hey, your sister did this, and this and this, and that was wrong. " Well, you love your sister, you hate your sister, but if this piece of trash told you a piece of truth is it not indeed a burden?Would you not before accept that piece of trash's piece of wisdom in spite of the fact of what he is or she is? Would you not therefore be condemned or would you not therefore take sanctions against the person who you liked for the sake of that wisdom.Isn't it a burden to be totally truthful.Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: Can you understand where all of those things are hiddenright in that sentence.

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.

THERRY: How many times in life (did) you wish you didn't have to deal with truth because of a burden.

DUNCAN: Lots of times.

THERRY: Quite often it's a curse, but it is time's wisdom.Can you also see that on another level, it says that time itself will prove true because what has been shall be forecasted?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: And therefore someone tells you something that time's wisdom proves them right, must you... isn't it true that you must also admit that whomever you dislike was correct and you must give that person the proper recognition.Can you see why it says, "Take into your heart time's wisdom?"--the burden.

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Okay.Any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay, go ahead.

DUNCAN: Take into your heart the very essence of peace.

THERRY: That is just another thing, huh?Okay.

DUNCAN: Only these gifts will allow each and every individual to find the path that will lead to the realizations that the alter-reality governing the illusion that brings forth each's special set of circumstances within which he must react.

THERRY: D'ya understand that?

DUNCAN: I understand that uh, ...Yeah I guess I do understand that.

THERRY: Do you understand the implications?

DUNCAN: That although things might be a burden, right now in life if you don't have love and if you don't try to live your life according to the law, you will never get out of the trap.

THERRY: Exactly, and more important, you'll never have the realizations of alter-realities. Do you know what that means?You'll never be able to understand what's going on in somebody else's head.... you'll be trapped in your own.You'll never be able to accept, or recognize or perceive or deal with other people's point of view.You'll be the only one who ever matters.What you think about is all that matters.Everybody else will be wrong.And, that will be the biggest key that will keep you lost into the hell of your own thoughts.For there will be no-one or nothing that is capable of giving you the second thought..., and therefore, your steering currents will never change. Can you see that so long as the emotions bring you the second thought, that change can never exist?You're trapped.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I can see that.

THERRY: Okay.Can you see here that governing the illusions that bring forth each special set of circumstances within which one must react... can you see that that's really saying that what people think is, for them, what is going to determine their reality?Isn't that another way of saying the first law of interaction? You remember it?Remember the first law of interaction.

DUNCAN: Everyone, high and low will have the opportunity to deceive, and, if they take the opportunity, they will lie, cheat, and steal. They will even sell a part of themselves and/or their ideals to get what they think they need from any given situation. Basically, it means that there are people who do whatever it takes to get what they want regardless of the situation.

THERRY: Whatever it is they think they have to do. But that's the law exactly.Try to remember the law, word for word for word for word.Don't convert the laws.Because when you do, when you change the wordings--

DUNCAN: In any given situation--

THERRY: It doesn't start that way.It starts people will lie, shoot, steal, even commit murder at times in order to get what they think they need in any given situation.They will sell, trade a part of themselves, and/or their ideals in the process.So the law verbatim says verbatim everybody will lie, shoot, steal, they will sell both themselves and their ideals in order to get what they think they need out of any given situation.

DUNCAN: How do mean what they think they need.

THERRY: Okay, if you have five people in the room and they are watching one happening and you ask for a report, how many different things are you going to get?

DUNCAN: More than five, probably.

THERRY: So therefore is one of them telling the truth and everybody else lying?Therefore from each's point of view that is what they think is happening.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Right. You got thatOkay.

DUNCAN: Yeah, I think so.Verily, verily, I say unto you a New Covenant was made between the force of creation and its creation, Man.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: A new understanding of the vision of the Pharaoh reflects the New Covenant between God and Man has been visited upon the power of its needs.

THERRY: D'ya understand that?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.That's the opportunity to come to Arkashea?

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: An understanding of law. An understanding of [the] LifeForce/MindForce Pairing.As each individual has been given the right of free-will, so each individual has been given the freedom to be trappedunto forever.

THERRY: Do you realize what that means?

DUNCAN: That if you don't ask for help you won't get it.

THERRY: What else does it mean?Isn't that an absolute commandment to stop stealing?If an individual works all his life for an apple, doesn't he have the right for the fruit of his own labor.Likewise, if an individual works all of his life to be an absolute nogoodnic, doesn't he have the right to bear that pain.Do you have the right to steal that from him?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: That's what that means.That's the law. If you steal somebody else's pain aren't you in fact condemning him into the hell of his own thought unto forever, since that pain that he has generated is the only hope he has in forcing him to change?So if you take that pain away from him, how is he going to change?He'll be caught in the pool of pain that much longer. Therefore, doesn't this mean, mind your own business?Until somebody comes to you and specifically wants to help them change, mind your own business.Accept and understand and mind your own business.Any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: As there is but one LifeForce/MindForce Pairing; and, each individual has his right to direct, to share, and to procreate.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: As there is one LifeForce/MindForce Pairing, each individual has his share to direct..., to procreate his state of reality.

THERRY: D'ya know what that means?The biggest implication there is the phrase " As there is but one LifeForce/MindForce Pairing. D'ya understand what that means?

DUNCAN: Yeah, but it's hard to say what the words mean.

THERRY: Okay. It means that the same LifeForce that is flowing through me is flowing through you.The same LifeForce that is flowing through both of us is flowing through all other life forms.It doesn't matter if it's a plant, a tree, a blade of grass, a mosquito, an insect, or a spider... every life form. If it has life by our definitions, then it is being powered by that one LifeForce.It is the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing that is being directed by the individual's mind that gives it its individualized personality.It is not the LifeForce itself, but what the individual does with that LifeForce/MindForce Pairing itself that becomes the components of good and evil.It is not the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing itself but what the individual's mind does that will determine whether they serve the light or if they serve the dark.Can you understand that? As a result of that, good and evil in themselves do not exist intrinsically.Good and evil exist only in the minds of man.Not in the Universe.To the degree that man uses his mind to direct the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing towards the benefit of all, to that degree do we say that it is good.To the degree that the mind of man directs the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing to serve his own selfish needs such that it causes pain to others, to that degree do we say that it is bad or evil.Any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay. Go ahead.

DUNCAN: Well, how about this appropriate state of reality?

THERRY: Okay.Karma has given you certain potentials, but don't you have the power to change that.So every time you interfere with automatic pilot, are you not changing things, so therefore when we cut down a tree and build a house, when you move a mountain to build a road, when we change a personality in order to make it more accessible to us, have we not changed what is already created?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: Are we not creators in our own right?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm. I never thought of it that way.

THERRY: So therefore did we not, or are we not Co-Creators?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: --Do we not splice genes, bring forth brand new forms of life in different areas that were never there before?Therefore we are also Co-Creators.Questions?Do you understand that?

DUNCAN: Uh-hmm.As there is one LifeForce/MindForce Pairing, each individual's state of reality is unique unto itself, but not separated from all others.

THERRY: Do you know what that means?

DUNCAN: That what ever the individual chooses to make of the LifeForce within him--

THERRY: Can you also see that it also means that for each individual, what is loose in his illusions is loose in his reality?What is condemned in his illusion, shall be condemned in his reality?What is honest in illusions, shall be honest in reality?What is forgiven in his illusion, is forgiven in his reality?

DUNCAN: You have wronged him, and thereby found forgiveness for himself, for his peace.

THERRY: Do you understand what all that means?

DUNCAN: Yeah, well, I think I pretty much do.

THERRY: What does it mean?

DUNCAN: That if you're willing with... when I guess when the pain, or whatever it is that has made you change.When you're willing to make the change, when you're willing to face all the pain and willing to go through all that-- that goes with doing that.

THERRY: Do you know the first part that says, if an individual is willing to retrace the path that led him to his trap... Do you know what that means?

DUNCAN: Go back up the levels.

THERRY: Right, go back where his problems began and to know what he did wrong.How about the part that if an individual is willing to rediscover the laws of his own illusions... Do you know what that means?

DUNCAN: Follow the Universe laws so that you don't fall into the same traps that you and I have.

THERRY: But isn't it much more... meaning that if the individual knows the laws of language... that each time he speaks he is talking to himself.If an individual doesn't know the laws of his own illusions, how can he change?If an individual is in pain..., if he doesn't know what caused it, doesn't know where it comes from, how could he possibly change?Doesn't the individual first got to know what is wrong before he can change?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: Therefore, wouldn't it be true to say that the most important thing about language is not what you do to others... is not what you do with others, but the words that you say to yourself, because that is what is going to control what your next thought is going to be. And that next thought is going to control what your emotions are going to be?And, therefore, both of them together are going to be the steering current for your reality, for your behavior.Would you think that that would be the best interpretation of that?

DUNCAN: Yes...Well, while I think about what you're saying, that interpretation has not occurred to me, no.

THERRY: How can somebody get out of the trap if he doesn't know if he's in a trap.For somebody to know that he is in the trap, doesn't he have to know what his thinking was, his value judgments, the whole thing that led him there to begin with?Aren't those the laws of your illusions?

DUNCAN: I've never looked at it like that, but I guess they are.

THERRY: Remember that, when you're using the chain, Rule Number 1 for you, as the Mirror, Discover the Laws of their Illusion.Without that, the chain's worthless.It's always the first step, Discover the Laws of their Illusion.Don't say, do or react to absolutely anything, until first you discover the laws of their illusion.For that, and that alone will prevent you from the big darkness.That and that alone will prevent you from being wrong. Okay?

DUNCAN: I think the rest is pretty self-explanatory, do you think so?

THERRY: What to the individual on a unique path seeks, yeah-- Which of course means that in order for... well, if the individual is willing to update information,well, of course, it means that the individual has got to change.Okay, what about this one.If the individual is willing to be counseled?

DUNCAN: It means that within the pattern of emotions, thought, emotions, you can't get out of that.It's a cycle.You need something to break the cycle.

THERRY: And if they refuse to listen to you, they're not ready for the change.Okay. Alright.Can you see this part here where it says that, Find Forgiveness for others who have wronged him, and thereby find forgiveness for himself and for his peace.Do you understand what that means?Can you see that's another way of repeating what has already been said before?Can you see that it is the source of the law that says, Judge not Lest you be Judged Likewise.Okay. Go ahead.

DUNCAN: Only then shall we find love... Only then shall we rediscover the state of contentment.

THERRY: What does that mean?

DUNCAN: That he can't be content if his hear is full of wrath?

THERRY: Bingo.Okay.Next.

DUNCAN: Verily, I say unto you.No one is condemned to eternity unless he condemns himself by refusing to change.

THERRY: Any questions?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: A great vision received by the Pharaoh Akhenaten as a direct result of his ability to receive by understanding systems of alter-reality and to understand the law governing all space of realities--

THERRY: Do you understand what that means?

DUNCAN: Probably not.

THERRY: Okay.Many people refuse to accept that there are alter-realities.Most people believe that death is all there is.Akhenaten was capable of Astrating, Projecting, etc.So he was able to recognize that there is a different set of understanding between dreams, the laboratory, the Astration, and Projection.He was able to understand that reality is dual in its nature.It is made up of two things.Half of it is real... of things that you can touch.The other half is made up of things that are not real... things that you can't touch, but you can feel, you can perceive.But they're flimsy, they're not concrete. He understood that just because you couldn't prove something according to the reality of things, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.He discovered that what was real in this reality, was just as real in another reality.Example is where, during the period where he was sleeping, during that experience, reality was all there was.And it was just as real for him then, as this reality is to us now.And, he discovered that there were links, borders, rules of each level of reality.And, there was a hell of a lot of truth in all of them because, indeed, they all existed.He discovered that awareness itself was the by-product of reality.Or better yet, it belongs the other way around.Reality was the by-product of awareness.And, he discovered that awareness itself had three parts to it... if you remember the law, if there are not three forces involved creation does not exist. He discovered that which is not real, and that which is real inter-reacted together and it is that interaction that we call reality.And, he discovered that the third aspect to create that reality was Recursive Dialusion, and that was the source of all law. Recursive Dialusion was the universal set of the laws of creation.He discovered that it was not the presence nor the absence, but the interaction with the world of illusion, which consists of all things not real, the world of realness, that which you could physically touch and the world of Recursive Dialusion, those three forces interacting together is what forms... is what makes reality.He discovered that those three forces together are Continuums in their own right and therefore exist in different forms of space and reality and therefore exist in different levels of existence. Hence we call the new creation an alter-reality, because the main reality is the one where we live in our daytimes.But who's to really truly say which is the majority, the one that we have during the daytime or the one that we have at night?Who's to really, truly say that what goes on during the day is really the dream and what goes on during the night period is really the universal awake state?We because of our present state chose to say that what goes on during the day is what is real, and the other is only a dream, but it could be the other way around.Who's to say? So obviously that's the source of the second law of interaction-- The level of observation creates the phenomenon. Can you see that?What you deem to be real is going to depend on what you believe.And, what you tend to believe is going to depend wholly on your level of observation.Your degree of being open, your degree of being closed, the number of blinders you have on in life, your prejudices, your belief system, your religious system, and your value systems.All of these put together are going to make up your level(s) of observation.

DUNCAN: Then how do they create the phenomenon?

THERRY: Because remember those five people, what they believe is what they see... for them, what they see is what'strue..., and what they believe will control or modify when think, when they feel, when they move, and when they behave. In their condition, what do you think is going to be their prime steering current?

DUNCAN: Whatever it is that they believe.

THERRY: Exactly. Hence their world of illusion or what they believe becomes the guiding force, becomes the steering currents for their reality, so therefore the whole law states that the level of observation creates the phenomenon and within that spectrum, the world of illusion shall be the driving force for reality.Can you understand that excerpt of the law?I'll say it again for you.The level of observation shall create the phenomenon and within that spectrum the world of illusion shall be the driving force for reality.

DUNCAN: I think that I'm unsure--with the word "phenomenon."

THERRY: The phenomenon means the A Happening that you're feeling.It might be a cloud passing by.It may be a fight between two people... whatever is happening at the moment.

DUNCAN: So what its saying-- the first part is saying that as your level changes the very phenomenon which you perceive are going to change?

THERRY: Exactly.Isn't that what's happening when you have the five people in the room?Each of their levels of observations have changed, so therefore, you see five different things.If all of them have the same level of observation, the same level of illusion, wouldn't they all see exactly the same A Happening?So if somebody hears the words "Stuck you!"...some peoplewill laugh, some people will think its funny.Other people will become extremely insulted.Others will become mildly agitated.Why would there be a difference in the reaction?Its only one word!Their level of observation is different, and, therefore, their world of illusion has created their reality.Each person got a different message from that one word because of their world of illusion.Alright? Any questions?Do you understand the total?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Now that's the second thing that you must do when you use the chain.You must remember that law. Because that law is going to govern your first law.You can never, never know the laws of their illusion without first understanding this law, because it becomes different for everybody.And if you try to make it a standard and put everybody in the same box, its a no-no.

DUNCAN: I wouldn't say that I understand it completely right now.

THERRY: It will come with time. Okay, go ahead.

DUNCAN: He selected a few individuals and taught them the same wisdom.

THERRY: Do you know who those individuals are?

DUNCAN: Yes. The first of the White Brotherhood?

THERRY: Exactly.Okay, go ahead.

DUNCAN: He guided them through the message that leads each individual that has a true wisdom in his hearts to receive the laws of reality... to understand the state of existence which governed the force of the light.

THERRY: Do you understand that?Any questions?Everything that came continued, up to and including the chain, the mirror, the logic, for the lack of a better word, everything came down from there.

DUNCAN: But I thought this was only a couple thousands years old--after Akhenaten's time--

THERRY: Akhenaten was almost five thousand years old.All of this wisdom I'm teaching you is over five thousand years old.It came from Akhenaten.But it was a hell of lot older than that.The first time it came to this earth was during Lemuria's time, during ancient--

DUNCAN: So why do we pay special emphasis that it was Akhenaten's?

THERRY: Because it was lost.There wasn't a single man upon this earth that remembered it.Then Akhenaten came along.And because of the purity, he showed love, where there was no love, he showed peace where there was no peace, he showed whatever, where there was no whatever.That special gift allowed a recreation and therefore, GreatForce made a special connection with Akhenaten.Or should I say because of Akhenaten's special gifts, he was able to get in tune and communicate withYog Sufor-- and able to remember the whole bit. And that's where it begins, I shall reestablish my...

DUNCAN: So this just says-- It's dealing with the fact that life appeared on earth-- but not-- I mean all these things were--

THERRY: Because of Universal laws. The thing is-- the important thing is that they were lost to Earth.If it wasn't for Akhenaten, we would not have this.They would be gone.See, all of these are the components of the New Covenant.If Akhenaten had not been what he was, then Earth would follow the old way.It would indeed be "Abandon all hope, all ye who enter."But because of Akhenaten, we have the New Covenant.He also was a standard bearer.D'ya understand?

DUNCAN: I'm not sure.

THERRY: Remember the phrase, "And therefore he became a standard bearer."It is a message that the Universe uses to judge all others by comparing it to that one.There are seven standard bearers.They are the inner circle.Okay? Understand? Questions?

DUNCAN: I think so.No.

THERRY: Okay, next one.

DUNCAN: Akhenaten came to realize that the human mind functions only by the use of symbols.

THERRY: Do you understand what that means?

DUNCAN: That whenever you think you're using the words, or pictures or --

THERRY: Is it possible to do any thinking without symbols.

DUNCAN: I don't know.I don't know.

THERRY: Think for a minute.

DUNCAN: I can't.I mean I could think about it, but I can't come to any conclusions about it.Because I don't know any other way of thinking.

THERRY: Bingo.There is none.You must use symbols. Now this has a special implication.Because the only way the mind thinks is by the use of symbols, there can be no symbols unless there are games.So, therefore, the implication is the next law. It states:When you come down to earth, it is not a case of if you play games, it is a case of " you must play games."If there are no games, there are (is) no awareness. There is no experience, there is no interaction.Therefore, it is not if there are games that matters, it is which of the games are you going to chose to use.If you find an individual that is in peace, his games fits his needs in any given set of circumstances.If you find an individual that is in pain, that means the pain that he has chosen has rules which do not become appropriate for his needs in any given situation.Can you understand that?

DUNCAN: Yeah, but I'm not sure that... why the fact of using the mind function by the use of symbols necessarily serves his needs.

THERRY: No, its the implication.Its the other way around. The law of earth is that when you come down to earth, you must play games.

DUNCAN: Well, what's a game.

THERRY: A game is an interaction between the individual, his level of observation, his belief-system, his wants, his needs, his Genesu, his Maat, and his bubble of reality, all working with or against one another to satisfy the ever-changing needs of his present illusion.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Usually, the individual is unaware that it is a game.A perfect example-- Here's a better way.Have you read, Games People Play?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Read it.If we don't have it in our library, let's get it.But I want you to read it.Also, have you read, I'm okay, you're okay?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: PAC? I want you to read it.

DUNCAN: PAC?

THERRY: Yeah, I want you to read that.

DUNCAN: Where's the P.A.C?

THERRY: P=parent, A=adult, and C=child. It's about caring for the child that is within you. Also, have you read, "What Do You Say After You Say Hello?"

DUNCAN: Nope.

THERRY: I want you to read that.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: There's more.Have you read "No Language But A Cry?

DUNCAN: Nope.

THERRY: I want you to read that.These are all in my library.There are a number of readings that I'm going to have you do.What they will do is help you understand the games of earth and what a game is.What they really are, is they are steering currents.They are different patterns. They are the patterns that form people's behavior.They become the steering currents that form people's reality.D'you understand what that means? D'you remember earlier, a couple days ago, or yesterday, whatever, you asked me about more patterns?I'm giving you that... that's how you findyour heart... You learn from the experience of others. Okay, what's next?

DUNCAN: It says the vacancy of heart according to the pain which understanding brings and then you say that that restricts your emotions and your actions and judgments.

THERRY: Okay. Okay. Let us assume that you've taken in your heart the pain that understanding brings. Let us assume that you have taken into your heart the precepts of understanding. Does that mean now that you're free now to add on pain to the individuals because they are talking silly to you?

DUNCAN: Well, not if you can--

THERRY: So therefore you're not free to say and do as you want, right?

DUNCAN: Well, I don't understand why you'd want to do that.

THERRY: Well, wouldn't those who do not bear the burden of time's limits... don't they consistently add pain to it?

DUNCAN: They do it all the time, but they don't have that understanding.

THERRY: Exactly. So that's the whole point, isn't it?

DUNCAN: Well, I don't understand why that would be considered a restriction. Wouldn't that be a natural outcome of the state of being?

THERRY: Yes, but it is still a restriction. You're no longer free. Even--

DUNCAN: Yeah, I can understand that. You're saying that you're no longer free because of the new attitude that you have.

THERRY: Right, the new attitude of changes.

DUNCAN: Because you subscribe to certain different attitudes that what people have--

THERRY: Exactly. But more than just that. Can you see also it binds you to your purpose. For instance, if you are not feeling well, or if you had an off day, or any such thing, such that another individual comes around and you really feel like telling them to take a flying poke at a rolling donut, do you think that you will? Do you think that you will let that individual know how you're feeling?

DUNCAN: Probably not.

THERRY: Exactly. So you're not free the way the average individual is, are you?

DUNCAN: Nope.

THERRY: You will restrain yourself far more than most individuals ever thought was possible. Why? What is it that stops you? It is definitely a restriction, right? You are aware are you not that you don't feel like taking the time etc., but you do just the same, don't you?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: So, wouldn't you say that you have been restricted by the pain that understanding brings?

DUNCAN: Yes.

THERRY: Okay. Any other questions?

DUNCAN: Nope.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Okay. It says here, take into your heart the very essence of peace. Take into your heart the pain that understanding brings. Take into your heart time's wisdom. Only these gifts will allow each and every individual to find the path that will lead to the realizations of the alter-realities governing the illusions that brings forth to each a special set of circumstances within which he must react. You said that if the individual never has these gifts he's never going to understand anybody else?

THERRY: Right. He's too busy caught up in his own problems, his own thoughts, his own thinking. His own everything.

DUNCAN: Well, wouldn't somebody else think its an alter-reality, with somebody's influence?

THERRY: Yes.

DUNCAN: Well, how about somebody like me who has a little bit of these things. I can look at other people's viewpoints I think.

THERRY: Yes, so?

DUNCAN: Well.

THERRY: But you do forget them right?

DUNCAN: Yeah, but not-- A little bit.

THERRY: But you forget them right?

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: Well, what about those who do not forget them at all, do you think that they even try to understand? Do they even try to go looking for any of those things that we are speaking of?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: And, if they come across it, do they recognize it?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: So?

DUNCAN: Well, let me see what else.

THERRY: What was the point of this. Are you missing something, are you misunderstanding something? Is there something that you don't understand?

DUNCAN: I'm not sure I understand the use of the word alter-realities governing the illusions.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Are you saying that the illusions... that somebody else's viewpoint is an alter-reality in and of itself?

THERRY: Of course! Understand that you will behave and you will activate your reference groups and defense mechanisms, based on what you think and feel. Well, isn't that true for another individual.

DUNCAN: Yeah, but don't they bear the same laws? But they have the same level?

THERRY: What's that gotta do with it?

DUNCAN: I don't know.

THERRY: If there are five people in the room, remember that phenomenon?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Well, aren't they all obeying the same law?

DUNCAN: As far as I know.

THERRY: Then why are there five different critiques?

DUNCAN: Cause there are five different paths.

THERRY: Why? They are from the same common earth, they all follow the same reality, the same common reality, I mean the sun still rises and sets but they still put on their pants the same way, they eat and drink and they smell the same way. I mean there are so many laws that are exactly the same for them. Why are they all on different paths?

DUNCAN: I guess because they want to be, their desire--

THERRY: Bingo. Remember the steering currents? Isn't everyone controlled by their steering currents?

DUNCAN: Therefore if they are unwise of their steering currents, or incapable of controlling themselves such that they control their steering currents, is it possible for two individuals each considered the other's reality also? Wouldn't it be an alter-reality? If you can't go beyond your own inklings, your own thoughts, your own understanding, your own desires, your own emotions, then don't you have what the common world has?

DUNCAN: Yeah. Yeah.

THERRY: So, therefore, in order for you to be able to understand, empathize, etc. for other people, don't you possess those qualities?

DUNCAN: Yeah. But there's a lot of people who possess those qualities to at least that degree that they can empathize with another individual?

THERRY: Would that change the fact that it was an alter-reality?

DUNCAN: Would the what?

THERRY: Would it change that it is a fact that it was still an alter-reality that they are dealing with? It's not theirs. They're dealing with other reference points than their own aren't they?

DUNCAN: What's the definition of an alter-reality?

THERRY: What's the definition of reality?

DUNCAN: The interplay of that which is real and illusion?

THERRY: No, the interplay between that which is real and that which is not real.

DUNCAN: I don't know what is real and what is not real.

THERRY: Sure you do.

DUNCAN: As far as I can touch it if it is real.

THERRY: Exactly.

DUNCAN: And anything besides that is not real.

THERRY: Exactly. But it is your interplay, not mine. Mine is my reality, not your reality. I interplay with it differently than you do. Your sister would interplay with it differently still. Wayne and somebody else would interplay with it differently still, because of their use, because of their steering currents, but does that change the fact that each form a reality because of that interplay?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Therefore, is their interplay the same as your interplay?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Is their reality the same as your reality?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Therefore is it not an alter-reality?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Does that help you understand? Perhaps you were putting too close a limit on the term reality or alter-reality. 'Cause remember, reality is simply the interplay between what is real and what is not real. But we've given you as of yet, no law defining an alter-reality. Well, thus far we've given you the law to help you understand your reality, not alter-reality.

DUNCAN: Well isn't another human being going to have the same experience of reality?

THERRY: Of course.

DUNCAN: Well...

THERRY: Isn't it like a fabric... where each thread intertwines with the other threads to create the whole?

DUNCAN: So they say.

THERRY: What do you mean so they say? Isn't it?

DUNCAN: I suppose so. I don't know.

THERRY: Okay. Is it a fact that there is only one set of laws?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Doesn't that same set of laws apply to everybody?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Well, does that make the fabric of awareness for life? Since everybody is going to have differences and everybody is going to have similarities. So, therefore, everybody is going to have to understand the precepts of alter-realities or truth or realities themselves in order to deal with the whole thing, would they not?

DUNCAN: Can you say that again.

THERRY: Ah, just a minute. Can you see that because there is only one law, there is only one fabric of the whole?

DUNCAN: I don't understand what you mean by one fabric of the whole.

THERRY: Okay, if there's only one set of laws and absolutely everybody is governed by one set of laws, and, if everybody is going to be so totally different from everybody else, is it not what causes the fabric, those differences?

DUNCAN: I don't know.

THERRY: Would you not consider each individual to be one part of the whole?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: So if everybody... wouldn't the commonality between everybody bind them together to form the fabric and the differences, and the pattern of the weaving of that fabric? Thus would it not be that many things are affected? Remember this phenomenon?

DUNCAN: Yeah, but for me its just that if you move something you're going to move a lot of things at one time.

THERRY: Isn't that what happened every time you behaved with others around you? Is it not fact that everything you do affects many other people? You don't live in a vacuum.

DUNCAN: Yeah, that's a fact.

THERRY: So isn't that the same analogy?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: So all of the threads that are moved or interfered with are changed or affected in some way by your action. Would that not indicate that it is the fabric? If not, why else would your behavior and your interaction affect everybody else?

DUNCAN: I don't know. Maybe I'm just having trouble with the image of a fabric being somewhere. It's kind of hard for me to understand this all--

THERRY: Understand that word fabric is simply a label that was used in the English language to portray a whole mass of interlocking threads that creates the fabric as a whole, but, yet each thread was still a separate individual unto itself. The same way as a whole planet is a mass of interlocking lives with each individual living their own lives individually, but they are still part of the whole. The fabric is still there. Can you see that?

DUNCAN: Yeah. But how much is the importance of if the individual lives and how much we change?

THERRY: They are very important because is it not true that many threads become a primal force for steering currents within yourself? Is it not true that many people become a force which becomes a steering current for you?

DUNCAN: Let me say the alter-realities governing the illusions, do we mean the alter-realities of other levels?

THERRY: It could be all of them. Wouldn't that depend on the illusion? What alter-reality do you mean. If you're dealing on an interpersonal basis wouldn't the alter-reality need be the complete full fabric of the each individual's full alter-reality?

DUNCAN: I guess if you're sharing an illusion with somebody?

THERRY: If on the other hand we're talking about an individual's self from one level to another, say physical earth to astral, wouldn't you now be having a different fabric of reality to deal with?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: So wouldn't that tell you exactly what it is that is involved?

DUNCAN: Yeah.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: Now can you sketch more fully what exactly an illusion is?

THERRY: You have to go back. We've discussed that totally before.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: You'll have to go back and review what has been said.

DUNCAN: Alright.

THERRY: Okay? Anything else?

DUNCAN: No.

THERRY: Okay.

DUNCAN: As there is one life force each individual has his share to direct to procreate his favorite reality. I'm not sure, since we're speaking whether its up to the individual what he wants to deal with the life force for good or for evil. I'm not sure of the relationship of the mind or the awareness through life force.

THERRY: Okay, that statement contains two different veins. First, as I said before, there is but one life force in all creation. Secondly, each individual being... that part of the statement that says "each has its share to control to create a reality"... that is saying that the life force that you have within you, you have to control. You do with it what you want. Usually what happens is that people create realities with it. Various levels of observations, alter-realities, they... its the properness of limits with what they do with their life. Well, within that also is the understanding or the misunderstanding of Karma, specifically, each individual... just a minute. Specifically, each individual uses their free-will to create whatever realities that they chose, whatever life-style. Now out of a facet of Karma, certain parents are selected, to the degree that the parents commingling satisfies their Karma, to that degree are they taken care of the problems from other lives, to the degree that the parents commingling do not satisfy the Karma or the desire, to that degree does an individual have to take on extra stuff that they didn't originally plan to deal with. Its sorta like a way of saying that the sins of the father are vested unto the son, that sort of thing. Do you understand what I mean?

DUNCAN: I'm not sure that I understand the word commingling, but I can understand that.

THERRY: Okay, let us look at the descent into life from the other dimensions, as opposed to from this dimension which was called birth. Okay, once you're on the other side, you go through the levels of truth, etc. Of course, this we'll talk much more on this in other lessons, but we'll just touch on it briefly for now to help you understand this point. The individual will judge himself according to his deeds, according to his thoughts, the whole bit, the whole nine yards. He will measure what he has done and what he has failed to do and match that against what his intentions were, what his original plan was once he decided to come into earth's common reality. To the degree that he has satisfied his original master plan, to that degree does he attain good Karma and via the greater Karma does he attain free-will in selecting his parents and his future situation of life. To the degree that he has failed to meet his Master Plan for whatever the reasons--usually his uncontrolled emotions, his views etc.-- to that degree that destiny rule his ceptor and law chooses his parents for him in order to force him into certain experiences in order for him to gain certain understandings and stuff. Do you understand so far?

DUNCAN: Aren't we just talking about the continuum of Karma and freewill?

THERRY: No we're talking now about a side-shoot that is accepted by the continuum of Karma and freewill, specifically what experiences are you going to have in life. Are you going to have an Adonis type body or are you going to be a cripple? Are you going to have perfect eyesight or are you going to be blind? Are you going to be perfectly happy or are you going to be a Mongoloid... Different things like that.... this is what we are talking about... the due process of how an individual selects their parents or how they select their experiences from the other side. Okay? Now, because of this lets call it the individual's master plan as opposed to creation's master plan, well, to the degree the individual retains control of his master plan, then to that degree does he have his freewill to create his own reality. In short, he can control that life force that is within him totally, limited only by his bad Karma, by his Predestiny. Does that help you understand that statement? As a whole, the statement says that... two things. Its sort of why. On the one hand, the life force that flows through you is the same life force that flows through everything that has life.

DUNCAN: Just one force?

THERRY: Just one force. On the other hand, the degree of freedom that you have to control that life force is interdependent upon laws. Does that help you understand that statement. Read the statement again and notice--

DUNCAN: As there is but one life force each individual has his share to direct, to co-create a state of reality. I don't have any trouble understanding that, but I have trouble understanding the separation or--

THERRY: See there's really three things in that statement, okay? The third one is that each individual has his share of power over the life force that runs him. The implication there is you have the full right and the full authority to do whatever you chose with your life force, but you don't have the right to inflict anything or imply anything or attach anything to somebody else's life force, and, therefore, prejudice of any form is unacceptable, because it is placing an attachment to the other people's choice in terms of what they chose to do with their life force.

DUNCAN: Okay. Well, if the mind is separate from the life force what is it that gives rise to the mind?

THERRY: Oh, that will come at a later time.

DUNCAN: Okay.

THERRY: Does that fulfill your understanding?

DUNCAN: I didn't have any trouble understanding it. I was just wondering about how awareness and mind came into it.

THERRY: Awareness and mind comes in a long time before you come to that stage. Awareness and mind comes into it under the first thought, the first descent, the what if/ but syndrome. Awareness and mind begins when you leave the mortal and you enter the first high energy zone.

DUNCAN: And you already have your share of the life force?

THERRY: Yes. Awareness and mind comes into it when for the very, very first time you achieve Arkashea. Do you understand that?

DUNCAN: Probably not, no.

THERRY: Well, it'll be covered more fully in other lessons, anyway. But assume for the sake of easy understanding that there is only one force in all of creation and it is sanguine. And assume that you are part of this force, so am I, so are everybody. Okay. Then assume that for whatever reason, the life force moved or changed. Okay. And in the process of doing this, you discover that you as an individual became an individual. You had thoughts that were strictly yours, for the very, very first time. Can you imagine what that would do to you, this sudden awareness? To suddenly be aware of self as an individual, having the ability to do or think what you chose to, as opposed to follow Universal law? Suddenly you have freewill, whereas the rest of the LifeForce is busy doing what it has been, you don't have to do that anymore, you can do what you want to do? Can you imagine that first beginning? Along with it, can you see that it would illicit the first emotion and therefore automatically the steering current? You had moved from FabricTime domain into LinearTime domain. This move gave you individuality, and all that came with it.

DUNCAN: I can see that it would illicit the first emotion.

THERRY: That's Arkashea, the first thought. The first emotion, the first awareness. That was the creation of the mind, that was the creation of the awareness, right there. That was when you took possession of LifeForce/MindForce Pairing... better still, it would be more accurate to say that that was when the LifeForce/MindForce Pairing took possession of you. From man's point of view, that was the first truly important recombining of two states--LifeForce and MindForce--to create a new creation wherein a thinking being having mobility in all veins of creation came into being.