Akhenaten Questions and Answers Page 1
PAUL: Here's my first question. In Atlantis, we had the Temple of Heliopolis
THERRY: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! The format--describe what it is we're discussing.
PAUL: We're discussing Akhenaten's history, the history of Akhenaten.
THERRY: Okay, what does it speak to each of you?
PAUL: Well, Akhenaten was a seer as it were, a visionary in Ancient Egypt 1354 B.C. He was schooled by the Temple of Heliopolis in Egypt, which was the remnants from the Temple of Atlantis and Lemurian days and the priests there taught him the old ways of Isis and part of my question was that these
THERRY: Save your questions until you get a response from everybody.
PAUL: He's regarded as the first person to believe in monotheism probably since the Atlantaean days and brought down the First Covenantthe New Covenant which is the root of our philosophy and our thoughts and our text.
THERRY: Okay, next?
PAUL: Do you want to go now?
CHERRY: Along with being the root of our philosophy, it is the seed of the other major belief systems and how they've been corrupted. I mean, I don't know if you want me to just reiterate what I read or
THERRY: Just what it does to you.
CHERRY: The history of our people.
PAUL: Next.
THERRY: Wait, wait, wait, wait!
PAUL: Oh, I thought she was done. It was a long pause.
CHERRY: I am done.
PAUL: You've got to say you're finished.
THERRY: What good is history?
CHERRY: What good is history!? [Chuckle] If you don't learn from your history, you're doomed to repeat it!
THERRY: Okay.
TAMMY: I pass.
GINA: When I read it, it made me think about how, if one person gets taught from very young, things like science, math and all that stuff, they can get to a higher place than someone that doesn't get taught that much. And I thought it was very interesting how he was taught that he took advantage of that and he became so great. But I kind of concentrated on it also
MIKE: Done? It made me very sad actually because again another great light on the Earth was extinguished and the circumstances that came about made me very sad. I think it said that he was the most misunderstooduhm most misunderstood in terms of historians about what his real meaning was and whole purpose. And history, when you look up stuff, you don't see anything about him to the degree and to the depth that entry discusses it. So, I just think it's sad that it doesn't seem as if he had as much of any impact on his world as he did on us - obviously, 'cause he was the Founder of our Orders but uhmThat's about it, except it was kind of sad.
THERRY: You have to remember that there were three kings at least that did everything they could to erase everything he had to say.
MIKE: Well, ahhh
THERRY: It's a case of religion battling spiritualism.
MIKE: Right, yes that's what I guess I was intimating. Unfortunately, this time I didn't get to re-read the whole thing. I have read it in the past and it uhm so it wasn't 100% fresh in my mind. But now that you mention that, I do remember when I read it the last time, you know, like kinda cursing religion in my head, like, "Damn it! Why does it Why?" Because it seemed like we got really close and then it got snuffed out, you know. So it's kind of frustrating and sad actually. Also because I went towhen I used to live in New York with my mom - she still works at the Brooklyn Museum of Art and they had I think they still have a big Egyptian exhibit And I had just met you and Arkashea and I had just learned about Akhenaten and all this and I saw a bust of him there. And amidst all of this glitz and fanfare there's just this one little tiny bust of Akhenaten and there was this two sentence blurb about it. Basically that he was credited for founding monotheism. And that was it, blip, gone and that was it! Nothing! And it was even I think destroyed somewhat. I think the priests made sure they went around and made sure they desecrated everything that had to do with him. They wanted to rub him out and the way it seems like it was done in such vehement animosity. It was just really, really ugly. That is what I get from it. Sorry to run on. I'm done.
THERRY: It's a case of religion battling spiritualism.
TOM: Uhm when I read it, I was interested in a lot of things that I think are left out of it. For example, in the Tarot cards, I know there's more to 'em and I know that the true history of them is very incomplete in our studies because they can only trace them back to like 1400. A lot of people uhm deny that they even come from Egypt. There's like no trace of it for like 2000 years. They went underground. Also, I know that even though they tried to wipe out Akhenaten's teachings, I found out in my studies strangely that there are several if not more schools of thought that all claim to be direct descendants of Akhenaten's teachings. Uhm, I know there's other stuff he wrote that's not the Tarot cards, that is gone or temporarily gone. But I know there's other things he did and that nobodyI don't have any way of finding out but I know they're in there somewhere. I had other thoughts but they don't come to mind at the moment, so I guess I'm finished.
COREY: For me, one of the things that it evoked was seeing the history of Mankind over many thousand of years through many cycles. Whether humanity is ready to have an Avatar or whatever you wish to call someone of that high spirituality come into being. And there's great periods where humanity is notdoes not make an appropriate entrance for someone like that. Besides this twisting cycle through thousand and thousands of years, I also saw that Akhenaten, as far as recorded history, 'cause that's all we're dealing with in the real world out there, was the seed not only to Christianity and Judaism but Rosicrucian and a whole bunch of other things. Maybe not Buddhism or Hindusim but so much of the world's belief systems could be traced back to that one individual even though his teachings could be traced back further. But from a historical standpoint, heregardless of what history or science says, whether he was just a sun worshipperhe used to bake people in the sun until they diedthe fact is that he did have a huge impact. His teachings had a huge impact on all of civilization, however, corrupted that impact was. And that's it. I'm done.
CILLA: I pass.
CARL: I think uhm. I mean, it's been a while since I read that entry but uhm I think there's a few thoughts that I came up with that went along the lines of, if you believe something, then it doesn't matter if the whole world tells you it's not right, if you feel you're being inspired and you know, it's information then you have to still stick by what you believe, regardless of the cost. Yet history at the time shows us that the same pattern of Akhenaten and Jesus, you can't go out and impose it on the world until humanity's ready for it. So I can kind of see why we have thoseyou don't override Free Will uhm I also see the structure of Arkashea, the political and the spiritual being divided into separate houses. And they should remain separate houses, even though they have to intertwine and work with one another, there's a reason for keeping the politics separate because there's things you have to do in those realms. Same asjust a lot of thethat's already been said.
CLARK: Wellit's similar to what Carl said but to me it was inspiring to know about a person that was in a position of power and that decided to be a pacifist. He decided not to have his armies try to conquer new lands and just follow, you know, the two laws we follow here, always do your own thinking and never do anything you feel is wrong. So I thought that was inspiring.
LILIA: With me it's visual. I don't know. I haven't read it in a long time. I always get just a picture whenever I think ofI always get a picturethe only picture I get is uhm just like Akehenaten light's beaming through. I never think so much about the history, I just get that visual image and I guess it means he was so open for everything to shine right through him and that's the visual I get when I think of Akhenaten.
TARA: For me, I sense thatI feel like, if Akhenaten could do it, you know, that there's a possibility that I can do it. And also when I first met Therry if it wasn't for what I read in Illusions when I read it, I said, "Oh, this is it!" I knew that whatever was written there was what I was looking for. So it was a sense of recognition that I had found my way again. So that connection for me was important.
PAUL: Any more questions? I wanted to make sure there wasn't any errors, so when you referred to the Temple of Heliopolis in Atlantis, is that supposed to be Heliopolis like in Egypt or is it supposed to be Heliopolis?
THERRY: Atlantis.
PAUL: Okay. AndI need my glasses for this thing, there's a passage that refers to the old religion of Isis that it is the first experience - this is the passage - "The First Experience was known as the Brotherhood of Arkashea, seed to the Great White Brotherhood, seed from which would be chosen the third Brotherhood, the Brotherhood of the Chain." That was real confusing for me. Is theredid the Brotherhood of the Chainohthe Brotherhood of the Chain I thought was the first descended from up on other levels and the Great White Brotherhood was thewas uhh Akhenaten's rendition on this physical plane of the Great White Brotherhood and
THERRY: Well, the Great White Brotherhood was uhhthose people that Pharaoh gathered.
PAUL: Okay. So, the Brotherhood of Arkasheayou referred to that as the First Experience, so that's just more of a concept as opposed to a Brotherhood?
THERRY: Yeah.
PAUL: Okay.
THERRY: It seems that way.
PAUL: Okay.
THERRY: Read the paragraph.
TOM: "Then he realized that his visions was in fact re-teaching the Twin Species Human, what was then called the old Religion of Isis. This First Experience was then as it is now, known as the Brotherhood of Arkashea." I don't know how an experience can be known as a Brotherhood of Arkashea.
THERRY: Well, it's the First Thought.
TOM: Well, there's no mention of any Brotherhood of Arkashea in anywhere else in our writings, using those words. And then it goes on, "Seed for the Great White Brotherhood, seed from which would be chosen still a third Brotherhood, the Brotherhood of the Chain." I agree with Paul, my understanding was that the Brotherhood of the Chain existed long before the Old Religion of Isis and long before the Great White Brotherhood.
THERRY: Yes.
PAUL: It kinda appears there that it came third.
THERRY: But you have to bear in mind that Pharaoh Akhenaten didn't create those. He was just re-educated.
PAUL: Maybe we at a later date we can it make more dramatically understandable. What'd you think?
THERRY: That's okay. That'll be Tom's job.
PAUL: Okay.
CHERRY: I have a question. In this passage, we get information about our origins of Arkashea and our studies and we also understand how these origins were seed to the major western religions of today. If youthroughout history, there have beenthere's been aspects of spirituality found in Wicca, of course, in Buddhism and in numerous Native American and Australian tribal belief systems. All of them have in varying degrees of spirituality as part of their belief.
THERRY: Well, they kinda have to, otherwise, their dogma won't stand up!
CHERRY: Do they get it from Arkashea? How does it get to whomever starts these belief systems?
THERRY: I don't know.
CHERRY: I mean, we know Buddha was an Avatar as well and does not label it Arkashea?
THERRY: I don't think it's proper to label it Arkashea. I mean, anybody who taps in the Arkashic records gains certain information. But I don't believe it's right to call that information Arkashea.
CHERRY: What would you call it?
THERRY: I wouldn't label it at all just different for everybody.
CARL: Could that be similar to, even though, on a lower level, when Carl Jung talks about the collective unconscious of every stored experience and symbol that humanity as a whole has experienced since it existed?
THERRY: Correct.
CARL: So everyone from no matter what region can tap into the same information?
THERRY: Correct.
CARL: And that's why the Australians and the American Indians kind of come down with similar symbols even though they have nothing in common culturally.
COREY: You know, there was a time factor that had me a little bit confused or concerned that it might've been a typographical error and that was, it said that tracing back at least 5,000 years to Lemuria and then it said that Egypt had been around for 7,000 years was the number it had put out there, so even though
THERRY: Sounds like there's an overlap there. Sounds like uhh there was a point in time when Lemuria, Atlantis and what would become Egypt all existed at the same time.
COREY: Right, I understand the uhh...
PAUL: Are you asking if Egypt was in existence first?
COREY: No, what I'mwhat I'm just pointing out, I don't know the passage exactly, at first, it was talking about Lemuria, going back more than 5,000 years. Then it talked about AtlantisI mean, Egypt going back at least 7,000 years. Uhm, so it just seems that
THERRY: The time doesn't really matter here because uhh it's probably very inaccurate specifically becuz I don't think you can put an actual chronological time to it. I don't think anyone can tell you when the civilization of Lemuria began to decline and when the power structure switched from Lemuria to Atlantis and then finally from Atlantis to Egypt.
COREY: Okay, my only point still being that
THERRY: 'Cause there's a lot of overlap.
COREY: Yeah, I understand that.
THERRY: So if you take the phrase that Egypt goes back 7,000 years, then obviously Lemuria goes back even farther.much further. So uhm
COREY: My point is simply in the writing itself. I'm not concerned about those numbers 'cause there's not much I can do about them anyway. But the uhm the reader could be a little bit confused by that, that's all. Just if Egypt went back 7,000 years, then obviously Lemuria must've gone back 7,000 years but it's
THERRY: Or more
COREY: Or more, right.
PAUL: Do you have the page number?
TOM: See, that's the problem. If there's something like this that's a specific error or possibly a mistyping or misnumbering, it would be good to know exactly where it is so we could fix it. Because it's not really a point at all, it's just
GINA: The first page says more than 5,000
TOM: The first page says more than 5,000?
COREY: It was in the first few pages, that's for sure.
GINA: Yeah the second paragraph, it says "the history." Do you see it?
TOM: Uh-hmmm.
GINA: It's more than 5,000?
COREY: And the other place, it says 7,000
GINA: And then down here, it says 7,000
TOM: Alright, okay, I'll try to fix that or I'll look at that this week.
CLARK: I have a question. How was it that ehh Lemuria and Atlantis declined when supposedly they had a very advanced psychic?
THERRY: Every time religion comes in contest with spirituality, it declines. It goes into a Dark Age.
CLARK: But I had understood, you know, that for people to have ehh psychic powers, they have to be spiritual too. So if they're so spiritual
THERRY: Yeah but you're forgetting the Veils.
CLARK: What veils?
THERRY: The Veils of Forgetfulness. You hide things from yourself.
CLARK: Okay.
LILIA: The point you just said is that every time a religion rules, the spiritual world weakened or declinedReligionreligions are strong! I mean I can't even fathom a time when spiritualism didn't always take a back seat, I mean, on the Planet. So that's kind of depressing. Religion will always trump it and I don't see religion going away!
THERRY: Well, history will show you that. Every time religion gains the power of control, every time religion is the governing base, you go into a Dark Age.
LILIA: So we'll never come out of the dark age since
THERRY: Well, you have different renaissances.
GINA: You mean, like, right now we're in a Dark Age? Because of our politicians and?
THERRY: Well, that's a matter of opinion.
COREY: I have a great quote somewhere that said uhm religion divides people and spirituality unites people.
THERRY: Correct.
LILIA: So when you say it's a matter of opinion, are you saying that some people think that it's spiritual because they're a religion?
THERRY: Yes. Remember there's a helluva lot of people in this world still who believe that religion is really the best teacher and the best government. The fact that they don't know the difference between their ass and the farts that come out of it is, beside the point.
[Chuckles]
LILIA: I hear it coming out already!
CHERRY: In the entry at some point, I'm paraphrasing it states that Man will not know peace again until Pharaoh once sits again on the throne of Egypt. THERRY: Correct.
CHERRY: Is that literally? I mean
THERRY: No.
CHERRY: Or is it figuratively?
THERRY: Figuratively.
CHERRY: And can you expound on figuratively?
THERRY: When Egypt goes back to following thethe uhh, Old Religion of Isis, then peace will come to the world. The Jewish religion will return the Ark of the Covenant back into the Great Pyramid from which it was taken.
CHERRY: Well, right now Egypt is Islam now, isn't it?
THERRY: Muslim.
CHERRY: MuslimIslam
THERRY: A-rabs.
CHERRY: A-rabs! [Chuckle]
COREY: Arabs.
TOM: So if the Ark of the Covenant is not returned to the Great Pyramid, there will never be peace on Planet Earth?
THERRY: Correct.
TOM: I think we're in trouble!
CHERRY: Where is the Ark of the Covenant?
THERRY: That's a good question.
[Chuckle]
COREY: Is it still intact?
THERRY: Good question.
TARA: It's close to Ethiopia.
THERRY: What?
TARA: It's close to Ethiopia.
COREY: I watch Discovery too!
THERRY: 333rd Street!
TOM: Can we build a new one?
THERRY: Yeah.
TOM: Will you let me do it?
THERRY: Let me get back to you on that.