Akhenaten Questions and Answers Page 3

LILIA: Did Akhenaten reincarnate again?

THERRY: That belongs to him.

MIKE: Well anyway, where I was going with that statement, was...I was just...it seems as though religion was hastening the destruction period in this age and then you had science that hastened the destruction in Lemuria, so there was a duality there. It seems like those were the two poles basically that people are so wrapped around to one degree or another. I don't know, I guess I'm thinking out loud. That's all. Is there any significance to that or no?

COREY: If those two poles that look the same, if they meet at some point and have acceptance in some way, does that cause any change in the state of humanity?

THERRY: Yes, towards the dark side.

COREY: So how would that be...why would that be towards the dark side?

THERRY: Tom already said it - when religion and science meet and become one, we have problems.

COREY: Okay, why is that? I'm trying to think of the future. Let's say, Quantum Physics proves the existence of the Great Force or something like that and religion relents and says, "Yes, there is such a thing we call God you call it the Great Force, we're calling it the same thing with different names." So if something like that were to actually happen, we actually obtained peace instead of antagonism, how would that...where's the problem there?

THERRY: It's not what goes on internally in each, it's the effect that it has on the rest of the world.

COREY: And what is that? What would that effect be?

THERRY: Uhh, much of religion, most everything you do is a sin.

COREY: Okay! So that would be if religion had control of the world, then everything would be a sin, like the science part coming in?

TOM: They have the power to destroy. So now, not only do they have the power to destroy, they have the power to do so unquestionably and he who questions it, is now heretic because remember, the big problem with religion is that it is against the idea of free thinking. The big problem of all religions is that if you say, "Hey, this doesn't sound right to me!" They don't want to hear that crap! So if religion meddles with science the way we are talking about religion, you're going to have...you're going to have secularism or you're going to have power to destroy things because it thinks it has the divine right to do so.

LILIA: Sounds like if they knew a woman was a witch, if she flirted she was or if she didn't she was or whatever and it was like this was science mixed except that was their black or white. Kind of proving the religion on the Earth based on what they perceived to be a scientific test.

PAUL: Well, they used science to prove their theology and therefore in whatever concocted way they decided to support it.

CHERRY: They're trying to do it right now with intelligent design so that they can prove creationism.

TOM: Because religion is not supposed to drive it. Religion is politics which is the motherland of politics.

COREY: So you're saying if science becomes religion, is that what you said before, that would be the same thing?

THERRY: You're going afar. It's not part of Akhenaten...

TAMMY: There's a part of the entry where it says that the first time where people were massacred for religion is when uhm...okay, that when Akhenaten killed all the priests of Amen Re and/or destroyed the Temples of Amen Re, wouldn't that be the first time they were massacred for religion?

THERRY: No, that was a destruction for power.

MIKE: Well, wasn't it the other way around? The priests of Amen Re wanted to destroy Akhenaten for power?

THERRY: Yes. But they got destroyed.

MIKE: Yeah, but all I think I'm saying...that referred to when eventually when the priests...

THERRY: No, when Akhenaten...uhm debentured the priests of Amen Re, that was a political thing, that was a power struggle.

MIKE: I was getting there.

THERRY: Because they were trying to become rulers of Egypt and Akhenaten wouldn't allow that.

TAMMY: I didn't...

THERRY: Huh?

TAMMY: What I can remember from the reading was that it was in Akhenaten's father's funeral where the priests you know made up that strategy and he just, I guess, got pissed and just said, "If you guys want to join me, join me or we're done," pretty much. But that was because of power?

PAUL: Yeah a power struggle.

TOM: Yeah, he didn't kill him because of what they believed.

TAMMY: So it was the intent.

CLARK: That's not true. He did kill them because of what they believed.

TOM: No, he killed them because they wanted to unseat him but not because of what they believed...he didn't say, anyone who believes Amen Re is going to die because I don't like what they believe or I wanna wipe this religion off the face of the Earth. He did it because he was in a struggle to remain Pharaoh of Egypt.

MIKE: If they had believed in Amen Re but not sought to dethrone him, he wouldn't kill them. Is that what you're saying?

TOM: Yeah we can only surmise.

THERRY: 'Cause there was a lot little religions that believed many things and he left them alone because they were not vying, trying to become ruler.

TAMMY: The only difference is the intent in both massacres - one was for power, the other was for religion.

MIKE: So I've always had...I've always had conflicting feelings about that. I never really knew how to reconcile that because as I understand Arkashea is stalwartly against taking of others lives, but it appears that there are certain circumstances where, for lack of a better word, it's okay I guess. So, I mean, would you clarify that maybe?

TOM: What would make you think it's okay?

MIKE: I don't know... 'cause if Akhenaten can do it...!

TOM: What if ...what if you or what if Carl decided...What if Carl went out and somebody cut him off in traffic and he got so irate that he came out the car and ran over them with the car three times over and crushed their ribs and killed them? What does that have to do with the fact it's not okay to kill somebody in Arkashean philosophy?

MIKE: Well, all I'm saying is that it appears as though there are certain criteria or certain circumstances that would need to be in place in order to make it...

THERRY: The needs of the moment demands many crazy things.

MIKE: That's all...so that's all I'm trying decipher.

THERRY: I mean if you're in a power struggle to be king, you're going to remove...you're going to do what you can to remove those that stand in your way.

TAMMY: It doesn't mean you don't get Karma for it.

THERRY: Right.

CARL: And it doesn't make it right, regardless.

TOM: I don't think he had the blessings of spirituality on that.

THERRY: No, he did not.

LILIA: But what if someone...

THERRY: Had it have been spirituality rather than politics, it would not have been done.

TOM: I think a big thing you got to remember in a situation like that, you know, he was king of the world and he was also still a man. And while he had whatever illusions he had, you can't look at him as if was just somebody living in America, you know, getting a W2 at the end of the year and doing what everybody else said. That wasn't the way it worked. I mean, he was the Living God. What he said, was supposed to go.

CLARK: Plus the world was a lot more barbaric then, right?

MIKE: Well, I'm just trying to understand, that's all...the framing, the reference points because with my limited awareness and limited reference points, that's all.

THERRY: That's a good example of how absolute power corrupts.

MIKE: What Akhenaten did? So you felt that...are you saying that in that moment that he committed those acts, he was corrupted?

THERRY: Well, basically he was defending his throne. I mean that's not so strange because every country did the same thing. Look at what Elizabeth did in order to sanctify her throne. She knocked off the Spaniards, she killed off different queens - she did a whole lot of things...

MIKE: Well, there were...

THERRY:... to make her throne.

MIKE: Oh I see! She wouldn't...she wouldn't have done it had those forces not been encroaching upon her and getting ready to do likewise to her basically?

THERRY: Yes.

CARL: In some ways Akhenaten was in a no win situation. If he just let the priests kill him, then that would've been it. There'd be no chance of his teachings spreading beyond and possibly taking hold. On the other hand, if he didn't do something and kill everyone then...

LILIA: Can I ask a question like or hypothetically, would it seem like if there was a band of people that tried to come in here and tried to harm Therry or somebody down the road? And who knows, if it was the KKK coming in ...and they came after you with whatever and yes you would call 911, but would you also kill somebody if they were coming after Therry or somebody?. That's the only thing that I could think of and I don't know if that would, I mean...be wrong karmically to kill, probably, but in a moment, I don't know.

MIKE: Yeah at the moment, you don't really know what you're gonna feel or do.

THERRY: We're running afar.

TOM: Okay, here's something in here that sums it up. It says, "The wise will be guided by the Light of Love that rules his heart; the king shall be ruled by the necessities of the politics; the teacher shall be ruled by the limits of his abilities and the limits of the abilities of his students; the selfish shall be ruled by the rule of his emotion; the judges that are set over men shall be ruled by the necessities and the limitations of the law that he must protect. And the holy shall not be ruled at all.

MIKE: So which one of those applies to Akhenaten?

TOM: Probably all of them, depending on what day of the week it is.

MIKE: Hmmm.

TOM: When he was wise, he was guided by the Light of Love. Then when he had to deal with his throne, he had to be ruled by the necessities of the politics.

MIKE: So it's not necessary...it's not so much that there was no lights in say how the lights talk to you, I would assume he had a similar arrangement or something like that...Okay.

CARL: It's the same thing as when you're running the cafe. When you're here you behave a certain way. When you're at the cafe and you have a cook who's saying, "I ain't doing it" you say, "Duck it! You'd better do it!" Where's your spirituality and love and understanding? You got to do what's required for the role you're in at the time. You and all of them too.

THERRY: We're going afar again.

CARL: But if you did it way back in Egypt...?

[Chuckles]

MIKE: Hey, we just got back!

[Chuckles]

PAUL: Did you...Does the text say in the entry that Akhenaten developed the Tarot cards or was it his scribe?

CLARK: Yes.

PAUL: His scribe?

TAMMY: It's pronounced Tary-ot? Taryot?

COREY: Taraot was the scribe, yes?

CHERRY: His scribe.

PAUL: So it was his scribe, right?

CLARK: But Akhenaten was the one giving him the...

TAMMY: Visions.

CLARK: But then, he became the High Priest Taraot and then later Pharaoh of Arkashea.

THERRY: Yes.

MIKE: Where did he ahh...? I don't know if this off topic or not. I was always curious, so when did the lineage of Arkashea die out? Was it after Akhenaten or how far did it carry on into history?

THERRY: It never died out, it just went underground.

MIKE: Okay. Because I've always been under the impression that...with you, was there somebody before you on this plane? Oh...m I getting off topic? Am I off topic?

THERRY: Yes, but that's beside the point.

CLARK: Okay...

TARA: So we're still considered...

THERRY: Well, it went to the Land of Canaan among the Hokites.

CARL: Well, actually is that really off topic? If...did you have a physical teacher here, I... 'cause if we're going all the way back and studying Akhenaten, why can't we learn the history of before you? So what...

THERRY: Because I'm invisible.

CARL: Well I see you! I mean, seriously was there a physical teacher you studied with or was it information you just brought down again?

THERRY: Good question.

TARA: Can I answer that?

THERRY: Huh?

[Chuckles]

TARA: I thought that you had told me that there was a teacher, there was one teacher that's invisible on this Planet and only one and you told me that years ago so I put two and two together so I figured that was your teacher. That's all.

THERRY: My teacher is an Other World Teacher.

TARA: Okay.

THERRY: My teacher are the Lights. That it?

COREY: No, I have a question. Uhm during the time of Akhenaten, he formed the Great White Brotherhood. When he was killed, what happened to the Great White Brotherhood?

THERRY: They escaped Egypt and went to live with the Hokites.

COREY: Did any of them get killed as well?

THERRY: Some of them.

MIKE: Here's a question. If Akhenaten had lived and had not been killed, what do you think might've come out of that? Like how...would it have changed the entire planet?

THERRY: I would have no way of knowing that 'cause you're talking about a totally different time line.

MIKE: But there is a time line like that somewhere? I imagine, that 'cause there's possibilities for one...the...that'd be curious.

LILIA: Did they find [...] the Hokites? Or were they open to practicing with the Brotherhood?

TOM: They're written in there, you can read it yourself.

THERRY: They were open. 'Cause the Hokites uhh believed in the nature religions, nature Gods and the teachings of the Great White Brotherhood explained the nature of the nature gods so's that the people could understand it, so they became Arkashean.

COREY: Could we trace the lineage further into the future from that point?

THERRY: No.

COREY: Does that mean that we don't want to have this discussion or that it went underground at that point?

THERRY: It's moot.

CHERRY: The Lost Thirteenth Tribe went underground.

CARL: I already know your answer but...How would you answer a historian who said, "Whoa, whoa, wait a second! We checked that and after the Hokites, they were wiped out. So where do you get the connection from here to there. There's nothing documented to verify anything that's been said." So do we just say, that's nice or is there anything more or just, it doesn't matter?

MIKE: Yeah that's one of the things, Therry, whenever somebody talks to me, somebody that's new to Arkashea asks me about, you know, like the lineage or the history or whatever and well, I'd say, "Well, I know it began from 1354 B.C. with Pharaoh Akhenaten" and then they would say, you know, "Well, so where's the time between Akhenaten and your teacher, you know." And I'm always kind of at a loss, "Well, you know, he just, you know, brought it back, he just channels the information." So it seems to me that if you're trying to indoctrinate or acclimate someone to the whole idea of Arkashea...

THERRY: You can't.

MIKE: You just can't?

THERRY: No. You can't expect that anybody in the outside world is going to understand.

TOM: Can I add something? In my studies of small religious sects, every school of thought that has a grain of truth in it, has the same problem. They get attacked by people saying, "You don't have a paper trail!" or they get attacked by people saying, "What do you mean, this information came from other levels? Where's the proof of it?" It happens to all of them. And unfortunately, some of them come up with ridiculous things about where they get their legitimacy from.

MIKE: Yeah it's like a credibility issue.

TOM: That's how it is.

CARL: Then you have the ultimate stab, 'cause you have the battle between spirituality versus religion and religion's main thing, like the Catholic Church is, who has the authority to teach.

MIKE: Yeah.

CARL: And according to them, anyone who talks of Jesus, everyone else is B.S. basically. So we're never going to be able to prove it.

MIKE: And they'll never be willing to give up their power anyway. They'll fight tooth and nail for it. It's not like they'd be open to it if you could prove it.

CARL: You never know but it's only so much that you can do.

MIKE: So...

THERRY: That it?

TAMMY: The New Covenant. Uhm what was the name before the New Covenant came into being? There was another name for it, right?

THERRY: Huh?

TAMMY: The New Covenant had another name?

THERRY: The New Covenant?

TAMMY: Yeah.

CARL: It's going to be a translation anyway because they didn't have English back then. So everything is...

TAMMY: Alright...

MIKE: Therry, is there a Lexicon entry on the Ark of the Covenant? Is there plans for one or... 'Cause I have questions about that but it wouldn't be good to ask them now. I don't want to beat that horse. Okay.

TAMMY: It says, "What is important to understand is that the inhabitants of that civilization possessed most if not all the greatest spiritual wisdom of what we now call the New Covenant." So I was wondering what they called the New Covenant before.

THERRY: I don't know.

CARL: When I was looking back at Cindy's version of the Lexicon, it seemed like they were entries before Akhenaten, such as Affinity Factor and something that had to do with the Brothers of the Chain and I admit I haven't been following it, but did those make it in the numbering system? It's not in alphabetical order any more?

PAUL: They're in Therry's alphabetical order.

CARL: Okay, no more need be said!

[Chuckles]

MIKE: At least they're all in the "A" section.

CARL: Keep counting your days, Mike!

THERRY: That it? Okay. I'm going to go back to bed.