The Absence versus the Presence Q&A Page 2
THERESA: So what's the point?
THERRY: What's the point?
THERESA: Yeahhh but why are we trying to...
THERRY: A point is what tells you the end of the sentence.
[Chuckles]
THERESA: Then, why are we trying to understand something that doesn't even matter?
THERRY: I can't hear you.
THERESA: Why are we trying to understand something that really no one knows?
JUAN: That's not what you said first. Say what you said again.
JUAN: Go ahead.
THERESA: [Laugh] Why are we trying to understand something that doesn't really matter? Like what's the point of trying to understand it?
JUAN: She doesn't see the relevance of this and to be quite honest I don't either.
THERESA: Like...
THERRY: Everything has to have a beginning.
AL: I'll tell her the relevance here.
THERRY: Go ahead.
AL: The relevance is, even though we may never be directly aware of the Absence and the Presence on the highest level, everything that exists on the highest level, they have an occult law that's called "As above, so below" and that's the basis for all these inferences. If you look at life and you look at the laws of nature, you know they had to come from somewhere and if you go back and back and back in your thinking, you get back to the root of the Absence and the Presence. But they help understand life and how you look at life.
MARK: The ultimate granddaddy human being.
JUAN: I don't discount what he's saying but I just don't understand.
THERRY: Okay, Man has this flaw in his nature, if you want...
JUAN: Just one?
THERRY: Huh?
JUAN: Just one?
THERRY: Right. Don't interrupt.
JUAN: Sorry.
THERRY: Leave the wise cracks out.
THERRY: Man has this flaw in his nature, if we want to call it a flaw. He's always trying to find out who he is, why are we here, how did we get here, what's the point of being here and a whole lot of questions based on the same pattern.
[Wimpy sneeze]
THERRY: Would you please give that some oil?
[Laughter]
THERRY: Well, we're trying to answer some of those questions. They will never be answered to everybody's satisfaction because understanding on such a high level is practically impossible for Man because you're talking about something that is before Mind Force is. I don't see how that's possible. But like Al says, it is following law - "As above, so below." So because of that, you can look at what we have here and you can infer what came before. Like I had a question with somebody once and they said, "Who created the trees?" And I said, "God." "Oh! Who created God?" And it didn't matter what you'd say, it was always a question, question, who created whatever and he kept trying to go back. So obviously that's moot. There's a point where understanding fails and you just have to accept by the nature of cause and effect that's what must have been but you can't know.
MARK: Does the Absence affect such things as the curvature of space?
THERRY: I don't know. I would imagine it would since it affects everything else.
AL: It has to 'cause it's Royal.
MARK: So the fact that space has limits, you might infer that that is due to a direct inference to the Absence?
THERRY: I can't hear you.
MARK: The fact that space has limits and is...
THERRY: How do you know it has limits?
MARK: Well 'cause I ran out of room...
THERRY: Because some human told you it did?
MARK: Well...
THERRY: Some human suddenly decided that space was oval. Remember you said, "know," you didn't say that you can infer. If you infer that space is something, okay, but if you use the phrase "you know that space is something," you don't have that right.
MARK: Well, I certainly don't know.
THERRY: Now, as far as inferring that space is oval, which implies a bubble. Again, that follows the law, "A bubble within a bubble, within a bubble within a bubble." But you don't know.
MARK: Right. Can we infer...if you're inferring that there's a bubble within a bubble, can we infer that what keeps the bubble separate is the Absence?
THERRY: What keeps the bubble what?
MARK: Separate, separated.
THERRY: No what keeps them separated is Placental Barriers.
MARK: How about the big master bubble? If we inferred that there is a big master bubble?
THERRY: Now you're so far above our own Creation, you're just thinking gobbly-gook.
THERESA: I have a question.
THERRY: Okay.
THERESA: Could you say us trying to understand where we came from is in a way like trying...if you were an orphan, you were trying to look for your mom, you found her but...let's say you found the mom and now you understand you are the way you are.
THERRY: Yes.
THERESA: Yeah?
THERRY: Yes, that's one way of looking at it.
THERESA: So that's why we're trying to find out where we came from!
THERRY: Well, Man was always trying to find out where he came from.
THERESA: I'm not.
[Laughter]
THERRY: That's one of the prevalent...
JUAN: You're not a man you're a woman!
[Laughter]
THERRY: That's one of the prevalent things about the specie. They always want to know what the meaning of life is.
WARREN: You have representation in Mankind that are not seeking those wisdoms if you're not yourself.
AL: A lot of times we're seeking those answers but we don't know that we are. Like if we're trying to control our emotions, we're still seeking to find out where we came from because you can't just say, "Geez, I want to control my emotions" and bling! It's going to happen. You have to go start tracing back where those emotions come from.
THERRY: Cause and effect.
AL: Or how are they related to my thoughts? How are they related to the Absence or the Presence?
THERRY: 'Cuz...
AL: Do I have the Absence of emotions? Do I have the Presence of those emotions? When I have the Presence of emotions, do I have the absence of logic and different things like that.
THERESA: I know but that's more relevant than going to the...
AL: Yeah but it's all related. You start from the bottom and you go up.
JEANIE: It's all repeated patterns. You can study nature and from my conversations with Therry 'cause it's a lot more easier for me to study nature that to study physics and Universal Law but by studying nature I can come to a better understanding of Universal Law because it's all repeated patterns. That phrase, "I can see the Universe in a grain of sand?" I mean, I guess if you can study patterns, you can see much in something very simple.
THERRY: Yes because all of us here was once stardust. Stars that have lost their glitter.
MIMI: Are some stardust bigger than others?
THERRY: Huh?
MIMI: Are some stardust bigger than others or are they all the same?
THERRY: Dust is dust.
MARK: Well at one point we were all one being.
THERRY: Yeah but you're going so far back that...
WARREN: I have a statement that I'd like to...
THERRY: Wait a minute, Warren. Sally?
SALLY: There's a paragraph where you say, "As more members are between species awakens to greater consciousness, the Twin Species as a whole will transmute to the next higher plane of Consciousness, Middle Middle Earth." Hopefully, this is the Age that the transmutation is "destined?"
WARREN: Destined.
SALLY: I was going to refer that Scot was talking about. That's one of the rungs of the ladder, right?
THERRY: Yes.
SALLY: Now if you say that it's going to happen in this age, in this period of time, I guess, does that mean that we're going to have a Hound of Hell when that happens?
THERRY: Yes, you will but who said that it's going to happen in this age?
SALLY: It says hopefully. Well, I mean if...
ELENA: Hopefully...
JUAN: Hopefully...
WARREN: Can you define what an age is, or is that kind of a generic...
THERRY: That's kind of nebulous, ain't it?
MARLON: Yeah.
JUAN: That was one of my questions, what constitutes what the age is in this span of time or segment of time?
THERRY: By who's point of view? The Universe's or Man's?
JUAN: That's what I'm wondering.
SALLY: Man.
JUAN: What makes up an age?
THERRY: A period of time.
JUAN: So I mean it's really hard or it's difficult to infer from this, you know...
TOM: You're never going to know.
JUAN: It's basically like saying nothing, in a sense.
THERRY: Yeah it's a limited amount of time that is unspecified.
SALLY: Does that have to do with...
THERRY: It's usually connected to the length of a happening of some kind.
SALLY: Does that have to do with like the Mayan calendar?
THERRY: Well, yes and no. There are many ways of measuring an age.
TOM: Question: you had the Great Force that had no consciousness and then consciousness sprang into being.
THERRY: Okay.
TOM: Wait, but then...
THERRY: That first Great Force was change.
TOM: Right, so at this point, you're never going to be able to get back to that singularity undisturbed, you're always going to have duality from this point forward.
THERRY: Yes.
TOM: It can't fold in on itself?
THERRY: Well, that's not true. If you ever do get back there, you'll never know it.
TOM: Well, but as far as the law goes, forget whether my consciousness can perceive it or not. If it's...the law says, once duality sprang into existence, you're always going to have the implication of the other, so from that point forward, you're never going to be able to get back to singularity unless you define it that that is the opposite.
THERRY: Not with that same time-line, correct.
WARREN: You have to give up your consciousness.
THERRY: Well, yeah at the level that he's talking about, he has no consciousness.
TOM: I barely have any now!
WARREN: Well, kind of dove tailing on that remark, let me read something and let me ask you something, "An individual regardless of the presence or absence of his limitations may become aware of everything that exists on a lower level of Creation, very little that exists upon this level of existence and nothing which exists upon any level of Creation which is higher than his own." If upon my level of Creation right now where I reside, which is on Lower Middle Earth, how come I can become aware of things in Middle Middle Earth, on the mental plane and other planes, etc., etc.? Isn't that above me?
THERRY: Obviously, you have not set the limits of your level properly.
MARK: Pretty much it is here.
WARREN: Okay.
THERRY: Obviously you seem to be cutting yourself short.
WARREN: So there is no way to be aware of nothing above your level, obviously?
THERRY: No there is no way to be above your level.
WARREN: Because once you're there, you're not above anymore! It's like a oxymoron.
THERRY: Well, that's not the point.
WARREN: Okay.
THERRY: There's no way to be above your level, because once you're above your level, there's no awareness that you can handle.
TOM: But if we go all the way back on other levels, there is nothing above your level. It's just tuning your consciousness to rise to your own state of awareness.
THERRY: You keep mentioning going all the way back but you're forgetting that somewhere's along that line there is a little door called Mind Force that bumps everything into blackness.
WARREN: I want to clarify how the Lexicon...
THERRY: There is no language, there is nothing beyond that so I don't see how you can go beyond about that if you can't even talk about it.
AL: So what about people who say that the Universe...the whole thing, whatever term you have to describe everything that was, is, can be, shall be, will be, everything...
THERRY: Castle keep...
AL: Castle keep...how about the people who say that never had a beginning? I mean they inferred...
THERRY: What about it? They have a right to say anything they chose.
AL: In our philosophy it did actually have a beginning because doesn't that imply time?
THERRY: We don't know that it had a beginning.
AL: So we don't know but when we talk about this all we have...
THERRY: All we know is singularity always was, always is and always will be.
AL: Is it possible that the Absence and the Presence, always was, always is and always will be as well? But we just modify it for our own purpose because we have to deal with time?
THERRY: Anything is possible.
ELENA: I have a question about...
WARREN: You have in here in the text...I'm trying to clarify the Lexicon entry a little bit because sometimes it gets a little bit confusing. You have some text, lah lah lah lah, then it says, "Then no one knows why it awoke. As it awoke new consciousness and consciousness began to think." Then you have a parable or a thought and I want to know if this is the text that the Great Force thought because right after that entry that you have, "Upon the face of Purity..."
THERRY: Yes.
WARREN: What?
THERRY: Yes.
WARREN: That is what they thought?
THERRY: Yes, that's the First Thought.
AL: That's Man's First Thought?
THERRY: No.
AL: So that's Arkashea of the Great Force?
WARREN: Because I didn't know if that was...okay, that answers my question.
SALLY: I have a question...
THERRY: Because at that point, Mind Force didn't exist, so Man wasn't there.
AL: I hate to say this, but if Mind Force didn't exist, how can you have...
THERRY: Let me change that...
AL: Man's Mind Force...
THERRY: Correct.
AL: Okay, so the Mind Force of the Universe existed.
THERRY: Yes.
AL: Okay.
THERRY: But it was different.
AL: Obviously.