The Absence versus the Presence Q&A Page 3
WARREN: Also one other clerical point, if I may. This is regarding the label. Sometimes you label things differently but they mean the same thing and it's a little confusing. This one is, "The Creation of the One is the implication of the Creation of the other." You state that this is the First Cause of Creation. Is it also the First Law of Creation?
THERRY: No, it's the Second Law but the First Cause.
WARREN: Okay.
THERRY: See you have to remember you have a Triunity there at work. When you went in through the Double Gate you had your Duality and that Duality then had to come forth with the effects of Triunity so that...those first three laws, "That which exists, shall exist Dual in its nature, Triune in its effects"...
WARREN: You said that's the Second Law of Creation...
THERRY: That's the First Law of Creation.
WARREN: Well, it says in the text, that's the Second Law of Creation.
THERRY: Well...
WARREN: And the first law...
THERRY: Okay wait, wait...that's not the point.
WARREN: Okay.
THERRY: The point here is those three laws are like a circle. It's the First of the Magic Circles.
MARLON: You could also call that Recursive Dialusion, those three ones, right?
THERRY: No, Recursive Dialusion is the Universal Set of laws...
WARREN: Alright so...
THERRY: But the first three laws is of the highest Magic Circle. And where is truly the beginning of a circle?
WARREN: Yeah okay a cause is different than a law, is that right? The way you're using it? Because you interchange it the way you're using it.
THERRY: Well the...each of the three have their own effects, 'cause they each is a cause.
WARREN: Right, well we get hung up on first, second, third.
THERRY: You can't...you can't rightfully say, this came first, this came second, this came third.
WARREN: Yeah I know but you're trying to attempt a Linear timeline in your text and...
THERRY: You're trying but I can't succeed because it's not linear, it's fabric.
WARREN: Yeah, I know. That's why it's confusing.
THERRY: Your First Law is "That which exists within the Chi shall be Dual in its nature and Triune in its effects." That's the first law.
WARREN: I thought...
THERRY: Out of that, gives you, "The Creation of the One is of itself, the implication of the creation of the other." That fulfills the first law's demand for duality. Then the third Law is, "That which exists within the other shall exist within the nature of the former via repeated patterns." That again fulfills the requirement of the first law, that it be dual in its nature but triune in its effects. And if you think of each of them, they all fulfill one another such that they're so intertwined that they really combine their force to be one force, one force of creation but each of them has a different phase and a different nature of cause and effect.
JUAN: So from that standpoint, it sounds like there really is no first law, it's like they all just came together at once? 'Cause it seems like they needed each other, they all kinda dependent on each another.
THERRY: Yes, Recursive Dialusion says that they're all one.
AL: 'Cause it's Fabric Time.
THERRY: Yes.
JUAN: So then you just break them into serially into laws so we can understand them?
THERRY: We need to break them into...the Universe don't.
JUAN: Right.
THERRY: 'Cause our three percent ain't good enough.
JUAN: I'd be happy if I even had that.
THERRY: Like I said, leave the wise cracks out.
JUAN: I'm sorry. Bad habit.
ELENA: Can I ask about the Absence and the Presence again?
THERRY: Okay.
ELENA: You stated that that was a continuum. Was that mean that there can exist total Absence and total Presence?
THERRY: Yes.
ELENA: Or it something like Ying and Yang where you have to have a little of both?
THERRY: Yes, within its limitations.
ELENA: So even on this level it could?
THERRY: Yes.
ELENA: Can you give an example of that?
THERRY: Okay. After you're dead for twenty years wouldn't you say you're totally absent from this level?
ELENA: I suppose so.
[Laughter]
ELENA: I can infer that!
MARK: What about photographs and memories?
TOM: And bone fragments?
THERRY: That's not you. Those are simply memories of you.
MARK: You said totally absent.
THERRY: Yeah, but we're talking about you not memories of you.
MARK: We're talking about Elena.
[Laughter]
THERRY: The memories belong to whomever has them. They don't belong to the person who made them.
TOM: Well...but if her bone fragments turn to dust, which turn to minerals, which grow up in trees, she never quite needs this level. You can't destroy it.
THERRY: Wait...at that point they're not you! They're dust from which you came. "Dust thou art and dust shall you remain."
WARREN: Are we talking about the Mind Force and the Life Force?
THERRY: No, we're talking about the Presence and the Absence.
WARREN: Of what?
THERRY: You!
WARREN: And define you.
THERRY: Whoever we're talking about.
[Laughter]
THERRY: If it's the total Absence of Warren or the total Presence of Warren. Right now, we're in the total Presence of Warren.
MARK: Okay, but we're talking about his Mind Force and Life Force, not his clothing and bones?
THERRY: No, they're one and the same.
WARREN: Like they said, my bones get left behind!
THERRY: Yeah, but once they've disintegrated and turned into dust, they're no longer you.
WARREN: Oh okay. I guess "me" changes into something else.
THERRY: No, I don't. You need to change your understanding.
JUAN: "I guess me changes into something else" is what he said.
THERRY: Huh?
JUAN: I don't think you heard him properly because "it's me who changes into something else" is what he said.
THERRY: We don't know that.
[Laughter]
THERRY: I think those deteriorated bones and dust will always be there. They're not going to be recycled by humans.
WARREN: So there is a point that I'm completely absent, is what you're saying, wherever that point is, I become absent of this physical, right? Completely, right?
THERRY: Yeah! After you're dead!
WARREN: Okay. [Chuckles] And bones and the dust and is not included, right?
THERRY: Well, it's no longer you!
WARREN: Okay.
JUAN: What constitutes "you" basically, I think?
THERRY: The interaction between your Life Force and Mind Force.
JUAN: So the pairing?
THERRY: Yes.
JUAN: And then once they've split apart, that's it 'cause you need the pairing?
THERRY: They're no longer you.
JUAN: Okay.
MARK: In the text when it talked about the possible transmigration or transmutation to Middle Middle Earth, if that is a rung of the ladder, at that point, uhm, is there a combining of entities?
THERRY: I don't know. Since you do not lose individuality, I don't think so.
MARK: At what point uhm would you...in other words...is Upper...
THERRY: In order to combine entities, somebody's got to lose their individuality.
MARK: Okay, well, if you split on the way down...
THERRY: It don't matter. In order to combine somebody's got to give up their individuality.
MARK: Now, at what point does that happen in terms of...if it can be put in terms of Upper Middle Earth or Lower Higher Earth or...?
THERRY: I don't know.
AL: Can't that happen even on this level? When two people...
THERRY: I don't know.
AL: You don't know? You think maybe tomorrow you might know? No, I'm serious. You don't know right now or you'll never know?
THERRY: Well I don't search for it. I don't waste my energy because it's moot.
AL: I was always under the understanding...
THERRY: Who cares when somebody reunites with their soul mates?
AL: Because I thought that had to do...I thought that was part of Arkashea's mission was to reunify ourselves and that had begun.
THERRY: Well Arkashea's prime mission is to get a person to understand the laws of their Illusion. Understanding at what point they're going to reunite with a soul mate, that's so far ahead of us that hey, it ain't going to exist within two weeks.
TOM: Taking that same pattern we're talking about being down here -once you leave and your physical bones are here, okay, you're saying there's an Absence down here. Up on the next level where I already exist on my Ba, part of me is down here in the physical. I have Mind Force and everything else that I'd say is me, minus my body. So there you can't have a complete Presence because a part of me is down here.
THERRY: But you still have a presence.
TOM: It's not complete...
THERRY: Of course it is!
TOM: Like she was asking - if they're complete...
THERRY: Of course it is!
TOM: If I'm one and have a...
THERRY: Your Ba is you!
TOM: Well the whole thing is me but part of me is down here so my Ba can't be complete.
JEANIE: But that's the Continuum. But the point in the Continuum, that's...
TOM: You can't have a complete Presence and a complete Absence up there because I'm right here.
THERRY: Yeah but that doesn't say complete at one point. It's simply says, you're complete in existence or you ain't.
TOM: Wel-l-l-l, then anybody's that's talking is complete in existence then.
THERRY: No.
TOM: How can it be out of existence if their Presence isn't in existence somewhere?
THERRY: Because there's placental barriers depending on which side of the Curtain of Life you want to talk about.
AL: Doesn't it also have to do with...I think it also has to do with "Each unto its own level," number one. And number two, you have to look at each little aspect one at a time. If you look at the whole thing all at once, and you say, "Hey, I'm not completely present." I don't know if that's...
THERRY: That's not viable.
AL:...a fruitful way of looking at it.
SALLY: Therry, does it have to do with because the Absence is in Fabric Time and the Presence is in Linear Time?
THERRY: Well, it's not always true.
SALLY: Oh!
THERRY: If you don't eat for awhile you're still feeling the effects of the Absence but you're not in Fabric Time.
MARK: Can you give us a non-food analogy of the Absence?
ELENA: Yeah.
JEANIE: The Absence of air conditioning!
MIMI: Air.
THERRY: Stop breathing!
MARK: A non-biological example?
AL: If you have the Absence of caring about somebody else you will react to them a lot differently than if you have the Presence of caring for that person.
MARK: So is the Continuum of caring or emotions or logic or anything else, is the...is that where you see the Absence, is within a Continuum?
THERRY: Everything is part of a continuum. Remember, as we said before, the Absence of what? You have to first determine what you want to fill the "what" box with because depending on what you put in that box, it's going to have different results. The Absence of food is going to have totally different results from the Absence of Love or the Absence of Caring or the Absence of Parents or the Absence of a Car or the Absence of enough money so you can live with the lifestyle you wish you had.
AL: I think we need to go into a real quick aside about Royal, about when we talk about things that are royal.
THERRY: Yeah.
AL: There are certain things that exist on such a high level that they effect absolutely everything that comes after them.
THERRY: Correct.
AL: And my understanding is that the Absence and the Presence affect every little thing in the Universe that comes below them.
THERRY: Correct.
JUAN: I just want to make an example. Say you have a recipe. Each recipe has a precise amount of something. So it has a very precise presence of something and a very precise absence of something to make up that very specific something. Is that any good?
THERRY: Yeah.
JUAN: Okay.
THERRY: You can't make a chocolate cake by adding eggs, flour and two pounds of cement.
JUAN: [Chuckle]
THERRY: It's not in the recipe.
JUAN: Right!
MARK: Is the continuum of let's say, mobility...on the hand, you have total mobility on the one hand and on the other hand, you have total lack of mobility. Is that an effect of the Presence on all those Continuums?
THERRY: The Presence and the Absence.
MARK: ...and the Absence...Is that how we see the Absence in this reality?
THERRY: That's one of the ways.
JEANIE: But then you've got...you could say you have the Presence of illness and the Absence of health. Or you've got...they...they're interchangeable...
THERRY: Yes.
JUAN: They're two sides or one side of a coin...
ELENA: Two sides of the same coin, yeah. Whether the glass is half full or it's...
WARREN: It's all ratios of the Absence and the Presence.
JEANIE: And it all goes to a Continuum.
THERRY: Yes, 'cause remember, the Continuum is royal.
JUAN: And it's the Absence and the Presence of Continuums that make Continuums that allow them to be?
THERRY: Well, I think it's the first law that allows the continuum.
JUAN: Okay.
AL: It takes a long time. That Lexicon has a shit load of entries in it that each one affects the other ones. It's going to take us a long time to get the big picture.
JUAN: It's a web.
THERRY: Go ahead, Gillian.