Arkashean Q&A Session -- 007
TINA: When you say that you can communicate your love to both, should you communicate your love to both?
THERRY: You have to decide that for yourself.
TINA: Well it seems in that context, doesn't that "which" encompass, "he who?" ...if you say that...
THERRY: No. It makes the [difference in] definition between, if you're going to pray to or honor the Goddess as opposed to honor the Forces of Creation.
TINA: Okay, if my intent is to honor the Forces of Creation, which is what I'm trying to do, which is why I'm trying to figure this out...
THERRY: If you want to honor the forces of creation, then use the phrase " that which created all things," but if you're strictly going to worship the Goddess then use the phrase "he who has created all things."
TINA: So to reiterate, when I want to the Forces of Creation, I'd use that which, but if I'm seeking to change and be taught and guided by the Universe, I'd use "he who".
THERRY: Yes. To be taught requires Mind Force and therefore it makes "he who." You're seeking that a higher mind may commune with you, that makes it "he who."
TINA: So that's why you said, you use both depending on purpose?
THERRY: See higher minds can commune with you and grant you information that you wouldn't normally possess and do it in such a way that you would be unaware that this is happening. Those communications would come to you in terms of hidden voices, or impressions or hunches or knowledge that you don't possess, but yet pop into your mind.
TINA: If you were going to do "that which" then how would that work?
THERRY: Then that would be totally different.
TINA: So, when I was praying to the Great Force, what would that mean on the higher levels? What are the implications of that?
THERRY: I can't go into that. There are limits to what I can do with you.
TINA: Okay. Well this clarifies some stuff. Let me turn off the tape recorder. Is the Ark considered an element? Like in that book it said Ark-a-she-a... it was this big element and that it was spirit...
THERRY: Again Tina, you have to get back to the definitions apply to the word at the time that they are being used.
THERRY: It's quite conceivable that at the time that they were using the word "element" that the proper definition would be component of or a part of, such as a numbering system...[For instance] how many elements are there in a set?
TINA: Well, when people talk about the elements being earth, air, fire and water, in today's language, is that elements or components?
THERRY: Depends on your level of understanding, because if you're speaking of elements in a set, then obviously every subset of a set becomes a subset of a Universal set and therefore from the point of view of a Universal set, then they become a part of, but from the point of view from the Universal set, they become numbered.
TINA: Well, that's all my questions for the moment, unless somebody else has some...
JAN: You might want to shut it [the tape recorder] off.
JULIE: It's kind of personal, not personal so nobody can see, again I always swing back to my own reference points.
THERRY: That's fine.
JULIE: I just wrote something, stream of consciousness about how I feel when you tell me to speak about things and what I am feeling when I'm listening to things and I don't even know what I wrote, so I'm just going to read some of it and some of it is not correct language at all, I'm sure.
JULIE: "It is a strange thing when Therry sits imparting information to Kina. I almost seem to know what is going to be said before it is said, as if there is some inadvertent switch somewhere in my breast towards the right side, in my throat, in my tongue, in my nasal conch eye, in my esophagus, as if I am being permeated by some glad something, it comes out of my right eye also. There seems to be different quotas, doors in my physical self that swing open when I hear these questions. When Therry asks me to express these things, it's almost as though another language wells up in me, I am afraid to speak it, fearful that I am coming from a land of imagining, not valid of failure, even ridiculous of trying to speak my own tongue. Once I was a "Christian" and that sect that I belonged required the speaking in tongues and that sect required the speaking in tongues. At some point those tongues brought forth to my lips. This phenomenon filled me with a strange giddy joy. Is this the language I sense now, the same somehow? somehow? Listening to these conversations I seem so knowing, and at home, yet at the same time so at a loss, as if I am trying to force myself through some sort of barrier, some tiny missing link that if I could just grasp would bring everything into clarity, into continuity. It's quite frustrating, this feeling of coming home and joy and yet not understanding, Such a strange life, living in these two realities, neither seeming to give credence or continuity to the other, both very real, very seeming so unreal. This Maya, earthly time, fading into such, fading into ...well, such Maya, so transitory and "unreal." Then this other level stuff, somehow so inapplicable, so out of place in my "life." Somehow, I know these two are aids to each other, both valid and utility interchangeable, but how?" So that's my question. It's sometimes going about and working and being with people, it's just so unreal.
THERRY: You've got to bear in mind that when you're speaking, such as we have been speaking, you're speaking of an alter-reality that seems to be totally against the reality that we're in under Common Reality. Again, you also have to remember that you were warned about the price of opening your "third Eye" and walking amongst us on the psychic level of creation.
JULIE: That's a link that I'm missing, I think.
THERRY: That's because, at the moment, you have not grasped the fabric-like nature of Creation that many, many realities can exist at the same time and at the same point and all still be valid.
JULIE: Isn't different levels used...somehow isn't it used...Like for me, they're so separated and contradictory, but isn't that an error in my way of thinking?
JULIE: Isn't this useful and valid here also?
JULIE: Able to apply, while this is also useful and valid there, able to apply?
THERRY: Yes. Let me see if I can try to give you the link that is missing. The link is that of communication. The link is that of language and how you use it. Do you know Mathematics?
THERRY: Alright, do you know statistics?
JULIE: Not much, but try me.
THERRY: Well, I'm not interested so much in statistics for statistics sake, as much [as] for certain labels that statistics has. Let's try Mathematics on the level of sets, subsets, universal sets, pro sets, stuff like that.
THERRY: Do you know what a Universal set is?
JULIE: No, my math is very dull. We might want to use a different one.
THERRY: We must use that.
JULIE: Well, then I'll just have to get a different one, then.
THERRY: I'll simply give you definitions of the ones that we're going to use.
JULIE: Okay, universal sets.
THERRY: Universal sets is a set that contains absolutely everything, therefore it has its own set of labels.
THERRY: Now, a subset is a set that does not contain everything that is in a universal set, it contains just a part of the universal set... and it has a different set of labels, which may or may not seem contrary to the labels used in the universal set.
JULIE: Should I not write this down and just listen?
THERRY: It doesn't matter.
JULIE: Okay, go ahead.
THERRY: Now, if you are talking about elements of a subset, you're going to use words that may seem to contradict concepts from the universal set.
JULIE: May contradict concepts?
THERRY: ...concepts from the universal set. But the seeming contradiction is not a contradiction in reality, it is simply a contradiction because of the differences of labels, because of the differences of levels.
JULIE: Just different labels, just different levels?
THERRY: So it's just a seeming contradiction as opposed to a real contradiction.
JULIE: That's my...that's my problem?
THERRY: Once you understand that seeming contradictions are not real contradictions, you'll be able to translate from one level to the other, such that when you think on one subject, if you think of fleeting thoughts of the universal set, a translation will be made, that will keep both in perfect harmony with one another. Remember that when you travel from one alter-reality level to another, you have to keep your reference points correct. What belongs in one world may not, necessarily, belong to another...
JULIE: Question? When someone asks you questions or me or whoever...?
THERRY: I pay little or no attention whatsoever to the words that you use.
JULIE: When the questions are being asked, immediately as she speaks to me, I receive information, I immediately translate it, I am able to translate it and speak to her through feelings somehow, it's weird, okay, however, in such a thing as this, yes, we can do that. When we talk about my life, my feelings and my life, my communications, my emotions, then it doesn't work.
THERRY: There are two reasons for that. First, you cannot use the power... the abilities that you get from your third eye; secondly, you're too close to it. You use your emotions, your emotions have no logic, so the translations necessary, and that would require that you let go and go to a different level. You haven't been able to do that. That's what I hope Tim will teach you.
JULIE: To let go of emotions?
THERRY: Yes, to go to a different level, to cross the chasm.
JULIE: Is there a link between...God, the only word that I'm thinking of is utility.
THERRY: Fine, use it.
JULIE: Is there utility...okay, you got emotions, you got to deal with them, you're on earth.
JULIE: They're very difficult to understand.
JULIE: And they're very sticky.
JULIE: But somehow, these emotions, what's happening on the other levels, they have something to do with each other, don't they?
THERRY: Yes, they're ganged. You're talking about the pairings now. You're talking about the difference between the thought-emotion pairing and emotion-thought pairing.
JULIE: Thought has to do with the other level, the other does not?
THERRY: No, thought has to do with using brain instead of using your emotions. Okay, the difference is that, determining who or which comes first, it will determine what comes next. Communication is serial in its nature. If it is a thought that comes first, that thought will elicit an emotion...where a value will be applied That pairing will then determine what the next thought is going to be. But that's the key, it's the thought that comes next. Now, if your emotions come first, then your emotion is going to elicit a thought which is going to determine what your next emotion is and then it's going to be the emotion that brings the thought. Remember that emotions brings... gives mobility while thoughts bring... gives wisdom.
JULIE: And if you're stuck in that chain of events then...
THERRY: You're not in control, the emotions are in control.
JULIE: So the missing link is the ability of thought?
JULIE: Is that the missing link for me in this situation?
THERRY: Yes. Language. See, the thing that's missing is who or what is truly in control of your life. If your mind is in control, then that which will be elicited will be a thought, a pondering, a consideration. But if the emotions are in control, that which will be elicited is nothing more than what next emotion will it be -- more anger, will it just continue, will it be frustration, will it be tears, will it be sorrow, will it be sadness and those feelings are going to be what is going to govern the thoughts that go through your mind.
JULIE: I have two questions...Do you want to go first?
THERRY: No, go ahead.
TINA: Go ahead.
JULIE: Hope that I can remember them. The first question is, the missing link that I'm banging my head against, that barrier...will it cease to be a problem when the thought and me comes before the emotion?
JULIE: Is that the missing link?
THERRY: Yes. Yes.
JULIE: Okay, the second thing is...
THERRY: See, there's a standing joke here that says, "Put your mind in motion before you put your mouth in gear." That means, "Start the conversation with a thought, not with a feeling."
JULIE: Okay, my second question. When I am dealing with abilities, I am not thinking...?
JULIE: I am stopping everything and something in me is coming out...
THERRY: You're sensing, you're perceiving...that's a different level than the level of earth.
JULIE: That's not an emotion.
JULIE: But it seems to be a vehicle there, the driving force.
THERRY: Because you haven't made the proper connection, so that by the time it gets to this level, it becomes an emotion rather than a thought. Your two worlds are not ganged properly, simply because of the disarray of your emotions on this level.
JULIE: When you say "ganged" properly are you talking about...
JULIE: Oh. What do you mean by that?
THERRY: Something that is ganged is something that is tied together in a very specific way.
JULIE: It's different than joined?
THERRY: Yeah, "joined" means one absorbs or is absorbed by the another, "ganged" is when they both stay separate but one follows the action of the other.
TINA: Paired? Ganged is paired?
THERRY: No. In other words, let's say that this is...my right hand is item number one, my left hand is item number two. This is ganged...whatever my right hand does, my left hand does the same. That's ganged.
JULIE: They're not together, they're acting together.
THERRY: They're not together, they're totally separate, but one becomes the slave of the other, such as it repeats absolutely everything it does.
JULIE: And what was your comment again, that you used ganged with?
THERRY: Your two worlds are ganged improperly.
JULIE: And that has something...is there a motor between the two worlds, when you used ganged in my motor is emotion when it should be thought?
THERRY: Well let's simply say that they're ganged together and your language on this level is your downfall. You convert too much. You're too much at war with this...with the requirements of this level. You resent too much what must be on this level, the level of Common Reality and until those wars are set aside, your gang will stay crossed.
JULIE: More questions...again two questions. The first thing is now, as never before, I'm feeling the impact of anger and cynicism that I never felt before in coming to the realization of what humans are, so that is a growing point.
THERRY: Yeah, but it's also an indication of the wars that you're involved in.
JULIE: Except that now, I have to deal with the fact of what humans are....
THERRY: Yes and that burst some of your balloons.
JULIE: But that's good.
THERRY: Can be, providing that you do it properly. If it simply leads you to more cynicism, then it's not good.
JULIE: There's that danger in that. However...
THERRY: Right. You have to learn "Understand, forgive and love."
JULIE: However, if I do it successfully, then I will, at one point, which is now, feel the bitterness of burst bubbles and then I will come to grips with that and be able to accept people more on real terms.
THERRY: What do you mean "on real terms?"
JULIE: Accepting them for what they are, rather than accepting them for what I hope they should be or hope that they would.
THERRY: Okay, okay, then in that case, yes.
JULIE: Do I really have to see people for what they are, and still being able to feel love?
THERRY: Yes. Allowing them the right to be what they are...
JULIE: So I am writing my language by this process?
JULIE: Second question, I don't remember what it is about this. But, I posed many questions about this, and what I'm very curious about, is at a very young age of adolescence, I became a Christian of which I released that...?
THERRY: Yeah, you borrowed a way of thinking...
JULIE: Something that would help for the time...
JULIE: And in that sect comes work required if possible and after a lot of work and meditation, I found this happening to me, and it brought back a feeling of familiarity of "home," these tongues. And then they went and then I went away from this and yet even now, when we talk about these things, I still get these compulsions, and when Tina asks you, of which I'm, I'm...it seems like I'm seeing something before my eyes, the best way to describe it is, d'you ever see a film before it runs right out? It's like virtual white going before your eyes and then it's bunch of black going like this on the screen and then it's gone? Well, I'm seeing these things, it's like a splice...it's like hieroglyphics or Chinese or something and it's going by really fast and somehow I'm understanding it. I'm getting this language that says things and I could say the language to you now, it's just that in front of people it's almost blasphemous to utter any of those words.
THERRY: Yeah. You still don't fully accept, willingly, the price for walking with your third eye open. You scramble your reference points. On the psychic levels we do not use the same language that is used on earth... having been accepted on the psychic alter-realities you have learned the language of those levels... but you still refuse to separate your reference points.
JULIE: Except maybe while we're alone I could.
JULIE: It's scary 'cause sometimes I don't understand what I'm saying while I'm reading it and Kay asks me a question and I have the answer without knowing what I did or how I did...it was inadvertent... That's what you do, right?
THERRY: Right. One of the reasons that I want you to stay out of my world ... don't force us to bar you from the psychic levels of understanding... It is because of the cross that you create. Once you put the wars at this level at rest, then you'll better understand what's happening. Until then, your sanity is in danger.
JULIE: So the only key to what we're talking about is just that... I've got to employ thought first and then I will not...
THERRY: Yes, you've got to put your "brain in motion," before you put your "mouth in gear."
JULIE: And then I won't feel this missing link? Things will become more clear...both worlds will be valid?
THERRY: Yes, they'll be ganged properly.
JULIE: Now, I'm walking in a dream there and walking in a dream here, neither are valid. To me, to me...?
THERRY: Well, It's not a case of validty...they're valid, but each refuses to recognize the existence of the other, each refuses to give the other it's proper due. It's like two brothers refusing to admit that they're from the same set of parents.
JULIE: But that's not what's causing the problems that's causing me?
THERRY: Yeah, because it illegitimatizes the problems from each. It's pretty difficult to have to deal with illegitimacy and at the same time, continue the illegitimate manner.
JULIE: That's what I meant the other day, when I said, I'm nor flesh nor fowl, nor good red herring.
JULIE: Because neither world is valid to me... Before the other world was valid...
THERRY: That's because of the war.
JULIE: And it's simply has to do with employing thought.
JULIE: I wanted to ask you another thing. Remember we did word association the other day?
JULIE: I didn't go to another level to answer you so...
THERRY: You didn't have to.
JULIE: So I answered very much on this one.
JULIE: But I could have given you completely accurate answers if I'd gone somewhere else, but I just didn't.
THERRY: Yea, I know.
JULIE: I usually don't with you...I usually talk to you and just stay here. Is that the way I should do it?
THERRY: That's the way you should do it. I want you to learn more on this level. Put those wars to rest. I don't want wars in my world.
JULIE: Is anything that I'm saying or thinking about just from the land of imagining, just from illusions?
THERRY: It has its validity only on its own level, because of the wars.
JULIE: Is this inadvertent switch I was talking about, is it happening somewhere beneath me physically?
JULIE: It just feels that way?
THERRY: Yes. It's an electric...it's a magnetic mental switch, rather a physical switch.
JULIE: Is there somebody else coming into me or is it just another part of me...
THERRY: Well, we won't discuss that part... just remember that there is more to you than you presently recognize.
JULIE: So both places can be my home.
JULIE: I can be just as home here and I do there?
JULIE: Without feeling sorrow or the separation of each.
THERRY: Yes. You can feel sorrow, but it won't seem like a separation. It will seem like a delimiter...
JULIE: Okay, I just want to reiterate what I think you said so that I have it clearly. You're telling me because of my use of language there is a missing link between the two worlds because I am at war?
THERRY: The link is not missing, it's crossed, it's not functioning properly, so therefore you perceive it as missing.
JULIE: Okay, alright, and the thing that will join it or uncross it is thought first...
THERRY: It's not...
JULIE: instead of emotion first. Like say that you look at me and say something like...
THERRY: It's not unlike the psychological concept that they have down here called "dissociation."
JULIE: What does dissociation have to do with thought first?
THERRY: It's a crossed link. An individual will look at something that is really sad and they'll laugh. Or they'll be look at...or they'll be caught in a situation that is really funny, but they'll cry. It's dissociation.
JULIE: It's crossed...
THERRY: It's a criss cross.
JULIE: I don't have that cross. I have a different kind of one.
THERRY: Yeah, but it's not unlike that cross, it's just a cross between two different levels.
JULIE: And you're telling me...
THERRY: See, you need to go through a regeneration or a reintegration between the two worlds and in order to that you have to put the wars in this world at peace...bury the hatchet, except not on someone's head.
JULIE: (Laugh) You're telling me again that the thought first and the emotion second is more appropriate...
THERRY: ...for what you're trying to accomplish. I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong. I'm just saying that if you come with the thought first, it would be more appropriate for what you're trying to do...
JULIE: Alright, can you put this in a specific situation, like in other words, if you turn to me and say, "You damned idiot, instead of going "Ow" first, and then say, "Wait a minute, he's just saying that because you know, that's something that he's doing. Differently, you would turn to me and say this thing, and I would look at you and think immediately what you were doing.
THERRY: What's really happening, is he really attacking me or is he saying he loves me?
JULIE: And then secondly the emotions.
THERRY: Yeah, because depending on the decision that you make, that will determine which emotion comes out. So, if you make the emotion, hey, he's really attacking me, now you have the choice of negative emotions. But if you make the decision, "Oh, he's saying he really loves me, even the words say, "You damned idiot!" if you come up with "hey, he loves me" then you're going to feel good inside.
JULIE: This emotion talk, doesn't have anything to do with the sensitivities that I'm having? Those aren't emotions, they are separate from emotions?
THERRY: No, the language has nothing to do with the sensitivity. The more you can differentiate between levels of meaning, levels of understanding, the more sensitive you'll become.
JULIE: Alright, I have another question now. The way I'm doing it now, when you turn to me and say something that I would define as negative, what I do, is that I immediately, as soon as I can, because I've worked on it even before we talked about it today, at least as soon as I can, is that I try to bring my thought up. Sometimes the emotion does well up simultaneously with the thought, and when the emotion wells too high, I just chose to ignore it, because I think it's invalid. Is there any more efficient and effective way to start reversing the process?
THERRY: No, just continue doing that and over time as you continue insisting to pay only attention to the thoughts and not the emotions it will correct itself.
JULIE: Is that the only conversion I have?
THERRY: Unfortunately, the only two pains that man has and the only weapon man has on this level is pain and patience.
JULIE: Well, I'm acquainted with those two. Alright, I forgot what I was going to ask.
THERRY: So be it.