Arkashean Q&A Session -- 065

DUNCAN: I remember that you told me that Laboratory experience and Astration too, for lack of better words, could be described as a safe zone.


DUNCAN: Is that a true Astration?


DUNCAN: Then you have, for lack of better words, actual alter-realities which you can Astrate to which are realities in and of their own right.


DUNCAN: Then you have dreams, which, from what I understand, is not really neither a projection nor an Astration but just a communication to your own mind.



ERIC: You don't go into the Now with just dreams?

THERRY: That is correct.

DUNCAN: If that's true, then how come every time you go to sleep, regardless of where you end up, you become aware of approaching that border, or losing consciousness, or whatever you want to call it, so obviously, or seemingly, since you don't Astrate every time you go to sleep--

THERRY: Yes you do.

DUNCAN: How so?

THERRY: That's why you don't have REM immediately when you fall asleep. REM doesn't exist until you return to the illusion, or a level of illusion.

ERIC: You go into a Swoon.


DUNCAN: I thought we just said that when you have a regular dream, you don't Astrate.

THERRY: That doesn't change the fact that when you first go to sleep, your Ba, for the lack of a better word, rises above your body, for a cosmic recharge, so to speak.

DUNCAN: And that's in the Now?


DUNCAN: And you can either go into a dream, or Astration or whatever?


DUNCAN: Regardless of what happens, you're going to get into the Now somehow.


ERIC: Well, where are you if you're in a dream?

THERRY: Back in your body.

DUNCAN: At that point you're back from the Now. Alright.

ERIC: So there's no --you don't project into the Now ever? Automatically? It's always an Astration in the Now when you go to sleep?


ERIC: So when does Projection happen on its own?

THERRY: When you're in an illusion of some kind.

ERIC: Can you Astrate, and/or project from the Now?


ERIC: Is it really Astration, or is it really some other kind of mobility that's taking place?

THERRY: Astration.

ERIC: So then you can effectively leave a Ka in the Now while you attend another illusion?

THERRY: Only if you have dual awareness. One of the reasons why people are seldom aware of them transversing space or time to a place is because they do it from the Now and no time has passed. There is no awareness of any loss or change of either time or space when you're in the Now. So you leave this illusion, you go into the Now, and you enter the other state. There is no perceived loss of time or space, nor is there the perception of having transversed either time nor space.

ERIC: And what happens when at times you enter a tunnel that you are definitely going from one level to another level and it's a real--and you can see the tunnel?

THERRY: That's because you're traveling at a speed less than the speed of thought. During those times you have the sensation of traveling.

ERIC: Through the Now.

THERRY: Yea. That's why everything's always so black.

ERIC: Huh? When you're tunneling?


ERIC: Let's call it when you're tunneling.

THERRY: Okay. Well, when you're tunneling it's not always black.

ERIC: It's not black. I'm saying you can see the tunnel in front of you and you are moving down that or up that tunnel.

THERRY: Yea, that's a, that's a different set of circumstances; you're not in the Now.

ERIC: And it doesn't transverse the Now?

THERRY: Well yes, but no.

ERIC: What's happening?

THERRY: Well, you're going through --remember, space is a still-shot of time.

ERIC: Yea.

THERRY: So if you're traveling through time, all you have is that tunnel. All of these so-called colors that are going by you are the different frames of space.

DUNCAN: So then in the filmstrip analogy the cells--

THERRY: Yes, that's what's going by you.

DUNCAN: Those are space --


DUNCAN:--and time is the Now?


DUNCAN: That's a little confusing since I thought that the Now is outside Time.

THERRY: Well you have to bear in mind that we've changed the analogy now.


DALE: Hello.

THERRY: Ah, just a minute. When we, in this particular analogy that we're using--


THERRY: --ah, you're traveling through time, so you're not talking about the Now; you're not in the Now because there is no time in the Now.


THERRY: And if you're traveling through time, then what is flying by you is Space.

ERIC: So the mind can create this tunnel in order to travel through Time.

THERRY: Well those--

ERIC: Between levels.


ERIC: Is that's what's kinda happening in effect?


ERIC: Or is there an actual tunnel there that you're just--

THERRY: No, it's the tunnels of space or Time, rather.

DUNCAN: I don't understand what the difference is--it's hard for me to differentiate between, because I'm under the impression that if you travel through the Now, you'd still be able to go passed those, those ah cells, but you just wouldn't see `em.

THERRY: No because see, the difference is if you travel via the Now--


THERRY: --there is no time. It's like a switch that's on or off. Time stops; time begins.

DUNCAN: Okay. So in other words, there's another way to travel to alter-realities rather then through the Now?


DUNCAN: What is it?

THERRY: What he was just talking about. Through the time-tunnels.

DUNCAN: Time Tunnels!


DUNCAN: I don't get it.

THERRY: Well see you're not on that level; you're not on that level so you have no way of knowing. You've never experienced any of that.

DUNCAN: Yes I have. You took me through one of those tunnels once.

THERRY: Yea, but you've never done it on your own.

DUNCAN: Okay, that much is true.

THERRY: So therefore it's a worthless conversation with you.


THERRY: Him, on the other hand, is on the level where he can and he does often travel on his own through various time tunnels.

DUNCAN: Okay, so you me want to not ask you questions?

THERRY: No, you can ask; it's just that understand that you're talking about an area that is totally unfamiliar to you.

DUNCAN: Yea, but I thought the whole basic thing of what we've been talking about these last three days is the nature of time. I thought that was intimately related to that.

THERRY: Hey, just because we were talking about one facet of a diamond doesn't mean we've discovered the whole diamond.

DUNCAN: Well so give me the whole thing. (Laughter)

THERRY: Oh yeah.

DUNCAN: Let it come so I could get the whole story.

THERRY: Yea, yea, yea.

ERIC: Yea, I agree with Duncan.

THERRY: Yea I can understand that too, but I will have to give you my old standby.

ERIC: Give it time.

THERRY: Give it time.

DUNCAN: Well yea, but now I'm confused.

THERRY: Why should you be confused? Why should you confuse one facet with another facet? If, in one area you're talking about travel via the Now, the other one you're traveling via time.

DUNCAN: Because, I'll tell you why.

THERRY: Why should that be confusing? I mean if you travel via plane, or travel via space ship, why should that confuse you? Obviously if you travel one versus the other you're going to have different experiences. A plane is so ducken slow; you'll sit and watch everything go by you even if you can't clearly see it. That's the analogy of a time tunnel. You're going to see the areas of space fly by you because you're traveling slower than the speed of thought.

DUNCAN: That I don't have a problem with. I'm having a problem conceptualizing how you can get from one cell to another and not enter the Now since I thought that was what surrounds all the cells. If you were to tell me you could travel through the Now at a slower pace although that wouldn't make sense either--

THERRY: You have to bear in mind that when you travel through time, you're traveling through one time tunnel. You're not going from one reality to another. All you're doing is you're speeding ahead in frames. When you travel through the Now, you usually cross a barrier of Time.

DUNCAN: Then I have a question. When I had that experience where I went through that tunnel--


DUNCAN:--I just went through, speeded through the frames?


DUNCAN: So where did I end up? You mean I just ended up in the same reality?

THERRY: Yea. You never left the same reality. You simply changed futures.

DUNCAN: That's hard to believe. I can't imagine that that was--

THERRY: Hold it a minute.

DUNCAN: I can't imagine, I mean, if you tell me it is I'll believe it, but it's hard for me to imagine that the place I ended up was actual physical Earth reality.

THERRY: But it's on a different future.

DUNCAN: You're sure you're not just making this up? (Laughter) You even told me it was astral Earth.

THERRY: It is astral Earth, but it's in the same time line.

DUNCAN: Oh, I don't know what to do. Well, alright.

THERRY: And besides, how can I make up your experiences? All I do is give you a label.

DUNCAN: Yea, a convenient label.

THERRY: What difference what the label is. It explains your phenomenon, not mine.

DUNCAN: Yea, but if you tell me one thing that's not really true--even though I don't think you would do that, I'm just saying that in jest, that it's going to fit into your scheme of things.

THERRY: Very quickly it ain't gonna fit in your scheme of things.

DUNCAN: It already doesn't.

THERRY: Sure it does.

DUNCAN: I just, well--

THERRY: Okay, go to the alter.

DUNCAN: Alright.

THERRY: Get up and go to the alter.


THERRY: Choose a time line.


THERRY: Follow it.

DUNCAN: Alright, here we go. Now what?

THERRY: Now then--

DUNCAN: Keep going or just wait?

THERRY: Okay, hold it. Now then, will you accept that there are two ways that you can follow through that time line?

DUNCAN: Two directions you mean?

THERRY: Well the direction doesn't matter because it's the same both ways. There are two ways that you can travel through that time line. You can be locked and follow the futures according to the speed at which your normal frequency travels--


THERRY: --or you can disconnect from that normal frequency and travel that time line via your own speed or slightly less than the speed of thought.


THERRY: Would you agree that in one, reality will come into being, in the other realities will fly by you and you will never experience them?

DUNCAN: Realities or frames, or is it the same thing?

THERRY: There the same thing.

DUNCAN: Okay, yea, I would agree to that then.

THERRY: So then if you're traveling faster, do you not have the tunneling effect?


THERRY: That's it.

DUNCAN: That's not what I find difficult to believe. I find difficult to believe that the experience I had was subject to the same laws as physical Earth, because things are so different up there that I don't see how that--I'm grasping at straws!

THERRY: Okay but look. I told you we took you to Astral Earth, not physical Earth.


THERRY: They're different.

DUNCAN: So that's an alter-reality, isn't it? It's another level.

THERRY: Yea, but we still went down the tunnel on astral Earth. That time tunnel that we took you through.

DUNCAN: Yea, that I remember.

THERRY: That was Astral's time tunnel Earth; that was not physical. What we did is we left the physical --


THERRY: --we went into the Now, we crossed a time barrier into the Astral Now--

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: --went into the Astral reality and then went down the time tunnel in order to get where we took you.

DUNCAN: Okay. I can accept that.

THERRY: So, that's all there is to it.

DUNCAN: Alright.

ERIC: Is it possible to travel down at the speed of thought once you're in a reality?

THERRY: Yea, but I don't know why you would want to. If you could travel at the speed of thought, it's a whole lot better to go through the Now.

ERIC: Less obstructive?


ERIC: Okay.

ERIC: I thought there might be a point of diminishing returns where you cannot go the speed of thought along a reality.

THERRY: That does achieve there because the speed of thought is so fast it's instantaneous whereas if you go below the speed of thought, you never really reach it, but you travel fast enough so that the amount of time that you would lose is minute. But the point is if you travel via the speed of thought, there is no time loss. But if you travel slower then the speed of thought, then you do perceive a time loss, and hence, time does go by, hence you see the tunnel effect `cause time is flying by.

DUNCAN: So any time you see a tunnel you'll know you're going less then the speed of thought.


DUNCAN: And furthermore --

THERRY: And time is going by.

DUNCAN: Right.

ERIC: So then when people die, and most everybody's who's "come back from the dead" say they see a tunnel.


ERIC: Now why don't they go at the speed of thought towards the next experience? Why are they--

THERRY: Because they don't go into another illusion and therefore, let's put it this way. They don't go into another Karmic illusion immediately. They have to go to Hades first. And all paths that lead to Hades are time tunnels.

ERIC: Okay.

DUNCAN: I thought Hades was another word for the Now.

THERRY: Ah, not exactly.

DUNCAN: Okay, well.

ERIC: I can't imagine it being the Now.


ERIC: I can't seeing it being the Now at all.

THERRY: Exactly because there are experiences that you have to go through when you're in Hades.

DUNCAN: Well what kind of --

THERRY: Just a minute. All right. What were we saying?

ERIC: Hades.

DUNCAN: We were saying that ah, that I thought that Hades was the Now because of something you told me connecting with the Elementals, but apparently it's a misconception that I would appreciate if you would clear up for me.

THERRY: Well, Hades is a level of reality. It's not--it's connected with the Now, but it's not the Now.

DUNCAN: So it is a reality unto itself?

THERRY: It is a reality level, yes. I guess if you had to call it someplace--

DUNCAN: Oh I see. I agree. I think that is what you told me. It's just that Elementals have free access to that reality.


DUNCAN: So that was a bad memory.

ERIC: So when you travel at the speed of thought, there's no way to send--to have sensation of movement?

THERRY: No. In order for you to have any sensation of any kind time has to pass.

DUNCAN: So what about this phenomenon where you go so fast that when you land back in you body or whatever you have to wait for the rest of you to catch up to other facets of yourself?

THERRY: Okay well, see when you approach an illusion, then you're no longer free to travel at any speed you choose. This is doubly so as you approach your body or your Ka, or your Ba. The physical, if you will, laws of the medium that you're in take hold and thus different parts of you travel at different speeds. Now, a lot of time the awareness factor, because it travels at the speed of thought, will get there long before mobility does. Mobility never travels at the speed of thought. It travels at the speed of whatever medium you happen to be in. Consequently it is usually sometimes as much as five minutes behind your awareness. So when that occurs, you go through the phenomenon of suddenly you're awake but you can't move your body; it's like you have no body. But you know you're in your body, and then you feel this meltdown and suddenly after the meltdown, which can seem very long, and sometimes very painful, and sometimes it's irritating, but after the meltdown, then you can feel mobility come back to your body. That's because different aspects of the different forces travel at different speeds.

ERIC: How many different parts are there that are involved in this traveling aspect? Those are two parts; are there more?

THERRY: Yea, there's usually about five parts.

ERIC: Are they usually more imperceptible?

THERRY: Sometimes, it depends.

ERIC: If you were going to label them--

THERRY: It depends on your ability. No, I won't bring them out until you've recognized them on your own. I don't want to cue.

DUNCAN: So, let's see if I understand. When you're traveling through the Now, all aspects travel at the same rate, but as you approach reality--

THERRY: But they don't --that's the key, okay? It's a seeming contradiction. When you're traveling through the Now, you're not traveling.

DUNCAN: I know, but I have to be able to talk about it, but I understand.

THERRY: Okay, so then let's use the phrase `you're folding space where you're transversing without moving.'

DUNCAN: Okay, so when you're folding space, everything goes along--

THERRY: At the same speed.

DUNCAN: At the same speed.

THERRY: It's the speed of thought.

DUNCAN: But as you approach the medium, it separates--

THERRY: Yes, yes. When you fold space, everything is at the speed of thought. No time passes because you're not in time.


THERRY: Then once you enter the illusion, then the Alliance of the Rule takes place. It becomes the prime Steering Current, and then the laws of the medium take affect.

ERIC: So what's the mechanism that allows your awareness to start from this level, let's say, and go to some other level and know exactly the path you took and how you got there?

THERRY: Ah, you're not at that point yet, so forget it. There's no way I'm going to give you that.

DUNCAN: What about me? (Laughter)

THERRY: You're at a lower level than he is. If I won't tell him, you think I'll tell you?

DUNCAN: Yea, you might figure it's not going to affect me.

THERRY: Yea, yea, yea. I don't do that because it's dangerous.

ERIC: It's funny though that ah, that I have an idea on how to get to where I'm going, and I wind up there --


ERIC:--but to trace it exactly --

THERRY: You remember, you're considerably higher than he is along those developments, `cause he hasn't even reached the stage where he's capable of traveling through the time tunnels. So that's --

ERIC: Was that a cue?

THERRY: No, I don't give cues; it's too dangerous.

ERIC: Okay. Would you say there's more fear involved in learning that process?


DUNCAN: More fear in learning what process than what?

THERRY: Ah, are you fishing?

DUNCAN: I don't know. I thought you guys were talking about two different processes.

THERRY: Okay. If you didn't understand what he says, it's better that you leave it alone.

DUNCAN: Well, I thought I did; I'm --

THERRY: If you understood, why'd you ask the question?

DUNCAN: `Cause I wanted to make sure because it was implied the other process---

THERRY: Okay, you state it, and if it is correct, we'll state it.

DUNCAN: That there's more fear involved in learning how to travel through the time tunnels then there is through the Now.


DUNCAN: Why should that be?

THERRY: Because when you travel through the Now, the awareness doesn't exist--

DUNCAN: Oh, yea, that makes sense.

THERRY: --whereas traveling through the time tunnel, awareness does exist.

ERIC: You might go AH! Ah! Panic!

THERRY: Yea, you go bananas. Especially if you become fascinated and you slow down and then you sit, and space is passing you sufficiently fast but, sufficiently slow so that you can capture what's inside each frame, and then you sit and it's like, d'you ever see those old movies where they speed it up and everybody's zum, zum, zum, zum!!


THERRY: It's like that. It's funny as hell, but it destroys your future because you already know what that entire segment of the future of the time tunnel will end up, so then if you have to go back at sometime and live it, then throughout that entire segment, it's one big deja vu.

DUNCAN: So you're not supposed to look, you're supposed to kind of go through?

ERIC: It depends on what kind of control you have.

THERRY: It depends on your purpose, yea, and the purpose.

ERIC: Well, that's an interesting safety mechanism that you actually go as fast as you possibly can in the Universe, and that protects you.


ERIC: And that when you slow down, that's not--that's paradoxical.


ERIC: You'd think it'd be the faster you go, the more fear or the more difficulty there would be.

THERRY: No, it doesn't work that way. Yea, you got to remember that when you pass barriers, the laws reverse themselves.

ERIC: That's an interesting safety mechanism.


DUNCAN: So what gives those tunnels the illusion of solidity? Or is that a silly question?

THERRY: Ah, the language that you use to communicate to yourself with.

DUNCAN: So it could just as easily be not solid?

THERRY: Yes. Remember, language doesn't get its power because it is the tool that you use to communicate to others; it gets its real power because it is the only tool you have to communicate to yourself. Hence, it is the creator of all your worlds.

ERIC: I did ask the question that if you go from one reality to another, not through the Now, but not at the speed of light, that--

THERRY: No such thing.

ERIC: I mean speed of thought.

THERRY: No such thing. If you travel through the Now, you cannot help it, you must travel at the speed of thought; nothing else exists on that level.

ERIC: I see.

THERRY: And there is no awareness because there is no time.

DUNCAN: Wait a minute. But there's something else. There's an analogy to when--


DUNCAN: So it would be almost like Orthodontiks awareness.

THERRY: Yes. It's the awareness that existed in Primedial Force.

ERIC: So then how can you possibly trace every moment from one reality to another?

THERRY: Believe me, you can.

ERIC: Even at the speed of thought?

THERRY: And even beyond.

ERIC: I've been waiting for that for awhile.

THERRY: Oh, you have a wait.

ERIC: I was waiting for you to slip up.

THERRY: I haven't slipped up.

ERIC: You told me there's something faster than the speed of thought, now all you have to do is label it.

THERRY: Yea, yea. I haven't slipped up.

DUNCAN: Remember that movie, The Time Bandits?

ERIC: Yea.

DUNCAN: Where they had the big map.

THERRY: Oh yea.

DUNCAN: That's what we need.

THERRY: Lot's of luck, Charlie Brown.

DUNCAN: I'll make it one day. Yes? No?

THERRY: Yea, you'll have to draw your own.

DUNCAN: Yea, I know.

ERIC: What do you mean, he has to draw his own? That was a cue.

THERRY: `Cause I'm not going to give it to him.

ERIC: Yea, but does that mean that each person has their own portals that they must follow and not preexisting ones?

THERRY: Yes. `Cause if you think for a minute, your studies are in fact teaching you to draw your own map.

ERIC: Um-hum. That's why I asked. I was wondering what you really meant by that statement.

THERRY: Yea, `cause I'm not going to give it to him.

ERIC: Yea, okay.

THERRY: He's going to learn it the same way as everybody else does. By studying.

ERIC: Well, he's refused to tell me a lot of things I've got to learn on my own.

DUNCAN: Yea, but at least you know what you don't know. I don't even know what I don't know.

ERIC: I wouldn't say that. Some things. I'm sure there's a whole shitload of things I don't know. I would be an idiot to presume that.

DUNCAN: Yea, but I mean like up until several days ago I knew that Time was AC, or whatever but it had no meaning to me whatsoever, it's just--had no mobility content.

ERIC: What do you mean that time was AC?


ERIC: What do you mean that time was AC?

DUNCAN: It's choppy.

THERRY: Yea. That's a lot more then the rest of the species knows.

DUNCAN: Yea, but I tried to think about it, and it still didn't do anything for me.

THERRY: It can't because you haven't progressed in your lessons that long.

DUNCAN: Yea, but now you told me all about it; I still may not be able to do anything with it, but at least I can think about it and--

THERRY: All I gave you was language.

ERIC: Why can't time be DC?


THERRY: No, time is never DC. Time can't be DC.

DUNCAN: Oh, I know what I want to talk about.

ERIC: Why not?

THERRY: `Cause it can't. It's not in the order of things. Remember, space is nothing but a still-shot of time.

ERIC: Yep.

DUNCAN: So it's Time-space, time-space, time-space.

THERRY: Right, so it has to be a square wave.

DUNCAN: That's what I want to talk about.

ERIC: Oh, okay.

DUNCAN: Square waves. I was thinking about that, and I didn't understand it. When you have a square wave, does it go both above and below the origin from positive to negative, or is it all on one side?

THERRY: Um, it's all on one side.

DUNCAN: It's all on one side.

THERRY: Actually, only because --well, here it becomes difficult because it is only on one side because of the levels we have, but it's really not, because everything that exists in positive matter also exists in negative matter, it's just that in this particular area we never have them both.

DUNCAN: Okay, so if I go on an scope and make a square wave it's never going to go below that origin or whatever they call that zero line?

THERRY: Sure, it could. Sure it could. It all depends on where you make your artificial base line.

DUNCAN: But it's not like alternating current that goes ah--

THERRY: You can make it alternating current. You can have total DC current, and still have a square wave.

ERIC: That would have to be an on/off kind of thing, wouldn't it?


DUNCAN: I want to use the square wave that's going to take me the furthest in understanding the flip-flopping between the Illusion and the Now. The first thing I want to do--

THERRY: Then divorce the square wave from the oscilloscope and electricity, and view just the pattern.

DUNCAN: Okay, so you've got a square wave, goes like--first thing it does is go up, or does it first go across?

THERRY: First thing it does --you can start anywhere along the cycle, don't matter.

DUNCAN: Then let's say it's up here and it goes across.

THERRY: Okay. Across what, the Now or the--

DUNCAN: Well, if it goes --if you would graph it on paper--

THERRY: See the problem is that it's not really a square wave.

DUNCAN: It's not. What is it?

THERRY: Because the time that it's in the Now is nothing but a negative pulse.


THERRY: What it is, it goes, if you're starting at one point of the origin, it'll go up into the illusion, and then the amount of time that you spend in the illusion--

DUNCAN: Right, it'll go across from left to right.

THERRY: Right. Then it will descend into the Now, and when it ascends, it ascends in the exact same trace such that no time is lost.

ERIC: Oh, that's not a square wave.

THERRY: And then it continues its path along the illusion, then it descends into the Now again.

DUNCAN: Okay, but let's go back and look at it as the square wave for a second.

THERRY: But it's not really a square wave--

DUNCAN: I understand.

THERRY: That's why I say you have to separate it.

DUNCAN: Then why did you use the analogy of the square wave?

THERRY: Because it's the closest that makes it valid considering the limitations of our language.

DUNCAN: So if it's used as a square wave, `cause I still have confusion about the square wave.

THERRY: Okay. Let's take the square wave, but let's remove all of the vertical movements--

ERIC: That's horizontal.

THERRY: Okay, all of the horizontal movements between the piece.

DUNCAN: The horizontal movement is the illusion. Why would you want to remove those?

THERRY: No, the square wave is, you go up, you have the illusion, you go down, then you have movement, which would be the time trace. Remove all of those time traces so that the descent and the ascent are super-imposed on one another such that there is no time.

DUNCAN: Oh, okay. So I didn't realize that that on the bottom was a time trace; I thought that was current --



THERRY: Well, yea, the flow in this case would be time.

DUNCAN: Well the problem is --

ERIC: They're ganged.

THERRY: See, remember, space is a still-shot of time. Therefore the top of the wave is the extent of the illusion as it travels through time.

DUNCAN: Right. Then it goes down to the Now.

THERRY: Then it goes down to the Now, and time does not exist, and therefore does not pass.

DUNCAN: Right. But in a square wave it does.

THERRY: In a square wave time continues to pass, but in this illusion it does not. Time does not pass even though you stay in the Now twenty minutes, a half hour, a million years, it don't matter. Time does not pass.

DUNCAN: Okay, well yesterday you told me, going back to the square wave Now, that you go through the illusion --


DUNCAN: --you hit the Now, the trace goes this way, then it stops.

THERRY: Yea, but you're going into an alter-reality. You're going on a different time zone when there's a positive and a negative--

ERIC: When your two realities are involved.

THERRY: Yea, when there's two realities, parallel realities, then you have your time wave that goes in this, in the top reality, then it slips to the bottom reality, then it slips to the top reality. That's the process of Astration.

DUNCAN: Okay, now let me go backwards then.

ERIC: That still really is not a square wave `cause you're retracing your--

THERRY: Correct.

DUNCAN: It all started out --

THERRY: Well, again, the square wave is the closest--

ERIC: Yea, I understand. There's no name for that kind of wave because it doesn't exist down here.

THERRY: Exactly, because there is no time line.

ERIC: Right.

THERRY: Except when you're in the illusion.

DUNCAN: It all started out when you told me you have to avoid the highs and the lows, and that was for emotions.

THERRY: Okay, now that's a different wave.

DUNCAN: That's AC.

THERRY: Yes, but that is from within the illusion.

DUNCAN: I know.

THERRY: Okay, whereas when we look at the wave in itself, then we're looking at both the illusion and the Now.

DUNCAN: Right. So after we talked about the highs and the lows, which is AC, we talked about the individual spending more time out of the illusion.

THERRY: Yea, they spend more time in the Now.

DUNCAN: Right, but we can't really say that, but I know what you mean.


DUNCAN: At that point you told me, I said I don't understand how it can ever be DC, and you said it's not. It's square wave.

THERRY: Again you have to bear in mind--

ERIC: That was the closest thing.

THERRY: That's the closest thing that applies.

DUNCAN: Fine, but I didn't understand--

THERRY: But it becomes a true square wave when you're Astrating, because time does pass both ways.

ERIC: Yea, that's right.

DUNCAN: Okay, here's what I want to know. If you use a square wave as an analogy regardless of how lousy an analogy it is, and then you want to make an analogy of how you want to distort that square wave to spend more time out of the illusion, what would change?

ERIC: You'd have to be able to control time in both--

THERRY: Wait a minute, no, no, no. Are you talking where you're Astrating or are you talking about you're remaining in the same reality?

DUNCAN: I'd like to talk about both. First one and then the other.

THERRY: Okay. In the one --

DUNCAN: Which one?

THERRY: If you're staying in the same reality, time passes in the illusion; it does not pass in the Now.

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: In the other, time passes in the illusion. It does not pass in the Now, then it drops to the next illusion and time passes again. Hence you have in fact a true square wave when your, ah, when you border and cross illusions across realities.

DUNCAN: Okay, so what you're telling me is there's no way to draw an analogy of an individual who's gaining the ability to spend more time out of the illusion using the square waves.

THERRY: Correct, because we're tracing time and in the Now time doesn't exist. It does not pass.

DUNCAN: Okay, so that's a fruitless analogy.


DUNCAN: Let's forget about it then. But the AC is still a good one.


ERIC: For in the illusion.

THERRY: So the square wave a good one if you're talking about Astrations. If you're talking about the awareness within a single reality, then it's--it doesn't apply.

ERIC: So while you're in the illusion, how can you--well, that would be time traveling through the tunnels.


ERIC: Do you have to have the ability to do that here--

DUNCAN: So what other kind of waves do they have that are useful to describing the various phenomenon --

THERRY: Nice try, but no cigar. I told you I will give you guys absolutely no information at all. The only thing I will give you is after you have experienced it, then I will give you the language that you need to understand it in order to keep fear away. Beyond that I will give you no information at all, except I will continue your lessons.

ERIC: I experienced this --what is it!?!

DUNCAN: So can I get a oscilloscope and play with it and look for various waves?

THERRY: That ain't gonna help you. That'll only serve to confuse you. The amount of time that you spend looking for waves and understanding it, that amount of time you'll take away from your studies.

ERIC: Besides, how can you apply those things that you see to labels you don't have?

DUNCAN: Well, there's no telling. Who knows what lies dormant in the mind waiting for some strange stimulus to say, oh, yea, I remember seeing something like that.

THERRY: (In funny voice) Yah, yah, yah, yah, the Shadow knows.

FRANKIE: Is the fear the main force that can keep you from experiencing the things in those alter-realities?


FRANKIE: And keeps you tied back to this bottom.

THERRY: Yes, and it's your number one danger, `cause fear will kill you, and it will drive you crazy. It'll lock you in a moment of time such that, from this reality, you'll be viewed as being catatonic or schizophrenic.

FRANKIE: So what exactly is fear? Is it strictly an emotion?

THERRY: It is a force.

FRANKIE: It's an actual force that exists in the Universe.

THERRY: Yes. It's a scrambler.

ERIC: That's a good question, what is the nature of fear.


FRANKIE: So it's not really tied to emotions or Karma or anything.

THERRY: Yes it is.

FRANKIE: How so?

THERRY: `Cause it is.

FRANKIE: But how so? I mean, is it Karma that dictates how much fear you're feeling in a particular situation?

THERRY: The Affinity Factor controls it.

DUNCAN: So fear is an actual outside force?


DUNCAN: Are emotions actual outside forces?

THERRY: No, they're inside forces.

DUNCAN: Are the emotions what summons fear?

THERRY: Among other things, yea. See, emotions are chemically based.

DUNCAN: Right.

THERRY: They are a product of the Ka. Fear is not. Fear is a scrambler that works on the frequencies of creation.

DUNCAN: What is the purpose of it? Does it have a purpose? I mean, I know it has a purpose-

THERRY: It's a barrier. Remember the law: The force evoked to create a phenomenon maintains that phenomenon unto forever. Thus if you create, or evoke a force to place you in a phenomenon, that same force is going to maintain you in that phenomenon. Thus one of those forces is called fear.

DUNCAN: So people use fear to create realities? Or is that stupid?

THERRY: It may be stupid but they still do it.

FRANKIE: What was the question?

THERRY: People use fear the create realities. How many times have you seen somebody out of their fear, or running away from their fear; they create this whole big thing. Then they live according to it.

ERIC: Yea, the multiple personality is a case of that.


ERIC: What percentage of barriers would you say is made up of fear?

DUNCAN: A whole shitload.


ERIC: Why I know, I'm wondering if it is all fear.

THERRY: No there are other forces that are stronger then fear. For instance, the thing that you kicked.

ERIC: Um-hum.

THERRY: That's not made out of fear. But I thought it was a pretty good barrier, wasn't it?

ERIC: Uh-huh. What was it made out of?

THERRY: Again, I won't tell you anything; you have to experience it yourself first, and then I will give you the language that you need to understand it. But that's it.

DUNCAN: So if you come in a situation where fear develops, does that automatically mean that once that fear's there that you're not going to be able to deal with that situation effectively or can you just continue to try to function?

THERRY: It depends on the level of interaction. One thing is for certain. If you want to remove fear, make it mundane, make the situation mundane. Fear will be removed.

FRANKIE: So fear is not --I mean, it's not an actual--it's an actual force--


FRANKIE: But you can remove it with your mind.

THERRY: If you understand the laws of its creation or its evocation, yes.

DUNCAN: So is it the presence or absence of fear that creates the possibilities, or is it what the individual --


DUNCAN: --does once fear comes into the situation.

THERRY: It's both. Some situations are created because of the presence of fear; other situations are barriers because of the absence of fear.

DUNCAN: You got to be kidding.

ERIC: Oh, you say there's barriers created because of the absence of the absence of fear?


DUNCAN: Oh, I got to get some Tums.

ERIC: A barrier's created because of the absence of fear.

FRANKIE: But fear can be removed strictly by ignoring it, right?


FRANKIE: You can't just ignore fear?

THERRY: No. If you ignore the fact that it's raining out, and you decide not to bring your umbrella, that doesn't change the fact that you're still going to get wet.

FRANKIE: So then fear is very real.

THERRY: It is extremely real. The only way to de-energize fear is if you know the laws of its evocation.

ERIC: And that could be myriad amounts of origins, right?


ERIC: Or is there one pattern, basically.

THERRY: Well there's one basic pattern, but there's many faces to fear.